Meat Eater / Vegetarian / Vegan
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They do exist.
Here's one.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/olympics/2008/08/dwyane_wade_doesnt_eat_his_veg.html
Also, it would be a good idea for you to check out the low carb/no carb folks, particularly the ones who follow the Atkins program.
There really are people who don't eat fruits or vegetables.
^ FWIW, being forced TO eat meat would be just as bad as being forced NOT to.
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Aren't you concerned that pure carnivores are going to try to make it illegal to eat vegetables?
^ Not particularly, no. Meat eaters are generally not as militant as vegetarians.
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Link.
^ Actually I prefer "patty". 
Think about it, though. Vegetarians define themselves according to what they're *against*. They are vegetarians because they refuse to eat meat. OTOH, meat eaters don't do that. We don't eat meat because we hate vegetables (and most of us don't even do that), we eat it because WE WANT TO EAT MEAT.
Meat eaters are defined by love of a thing; vegetarians, by the hatred of a thing. (In both cases, meat.) That makes all the difference.
Think about it, though. Vegetarians define themselves according to what they're *against*. They are vegetarians because they refuse to eat meat. OTOH, meat eaters don't do that. We don't eat meat because we hate vegetables (and most of us don't even do that), we eat it because WE WANT TO EAT MEAT.
Meat eaters are defined by love of a thing; vegetarians, by the hatred of a thing. (In both cases, meat.) That makes all the difference.
Really? I don't see anything wrong with being a vegetarian at all... I never thought that'd be something people would give that much shit to someone over... Especially more than people get for being gay.
There are a few vegetarians that do this to other folks. That tends to give everyone the impression that we are all like that. Trust me. We are not. I may personally feel icky about something having to die so I can survive but I would never wag my finger in someone's face about how they feel about it. I feel icky about that too. People have the right to make their own choices. Of course this works both ways too. I should be allowed the same courtesy. Most of the time I am not. I can honestly say I get more flack for being a vegetarian than I do for being gay and we all know how much people hate the gays.I have gotten used to it over the years but I usually don't tell people I am a vegetarian unless I absolutely have too.
I would not say that I know of many vegetarians who are all that militant. And certainly no more of them are militant about their beliefs than some "meat eaters" that I know.
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^ Actually I prefer "patty".
Think about it, though. Vegetarians define themselves according to what they're *against*. They are vegetarians because they refuse to eat meat. OTOH, meat eaters don't do that. We don't eat meat because we hate vegetables (and most of us don't even do that), we eat it because WE WANT TO EAT MEAT.
Meat eaters are defined by love of a thing; vegetarians, by the hatred of a thing. (In both cases, meat.) That makes all the difference.
Did you ever consider that people may become Vegetarian because they like vegetables? Did you ever think that perhaps Vegetarians are Vegetarians because the average Vegetarian's lifespan is up to 7 years longer than that of a person who eats meat?
You're coming at this from an "Us vs. Them" attitude, and the bias shows in your posts. I have nothing against the eating of meat. I just don't want to do it anymore.
Rawr. I'm insidious.
That makes no difference, because in that case you could look at a gay man and say they "hate vaginas" but straight men "love vaginas" and therefore gay men define themselves by hatred and are more militant... I mean seriously? And actually, of all the vegetarians I know, they are vegetarians because they LOVE ANIMALS TOO MUCH TO STAND HURTING THEM FOR SOMETHING LIKE FOOD WHEN THEY CAN EAT PLANTS INSTEAD. My friend Tasha, the vegetarian friend I keep talking about, LOVES the taste of meat. Absolutely LOVES it. Bacon and steak are two of her FAVORITE foods, but she doesn't eat them because she loves animals too much and can't stand the thought of harming and killing them when she can be a vegetarian instead. It has NOTHING to do with "hating meat" and if that is what you truly believe than you are greatly mistaken.^ Actually I prefer "patty".
Think about it, though. Vegetarians define themselves according to what they're *against*. They are vegetarians because they refuse to eat meat. OTOH, meat eaters don't do that. We don't eat meat because we hate vegetables (and most of us don't even do that), we eat it because WE WANT TO EAT MEAT.
Meat eaters are defined by love of a thing; vegetarians, by the hatred of a thing. (In both cases, meat.) That makes all the difference.
People can eat both vegetables and meat.
And even so, I rather doubt that there's a high percentage of vegetarians who are thinking "I love vegetables so much I'll spend all my time eating nothing else". They do that because they are against eating meat (whether it be for moral or physical reasons).No, because correlation != causation.
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People can eat both vegetables and meat.
Six of one, a half dozen of another.
You have no idea what Vegetarians, think, do you? I just explained to you that I am going back to Vegetarianism because of health reasons, and you have essentially told me that I'm not doing it for that reason.
I eat vegetables because I love them not because I hate meat. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't put words into this vegetarian's mouth.
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Well, no, see, it's like this: You like Vanilla because you hate Chocolate, not because you like Vanilla. No sane person likes Vanilla ice cream unless they harbor a hatred for Chocolate ice cream eaters. They are, after all, far more militant.
^ Oh I see now. My hating something makes it easier for me to be wrong and supposedly militant. 
(Sorry. In my quest to keep an open mind I sometimes forget about those pesky archaic social conventions. Oh and I love both chocolate and vanilla... just for the record.)
(Sorry. In my quest to keep an open mind I sometimes forget about those pesky archaic social conventions. Oh and I love both chocolate and vanilla... just for the record.)
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^ Oh I see now. My hating something makes it easier for me to be wrong and supposedly militant.
Me too. I like chocolate vanilla swirl. It's my third favorite after strawberry ice cream and Vanilla bean.
These reactions to vegans always puzzle me. It is extreme hubris to argue from a point of morality against what is a self-acknowledged fringe preference for, of all things, food consumption. Not all vegans are members of PETA. Not all vegans support actions such as Sea Shepherd. Indeed, not all vegans conflate not killing/using animals as commodities with them being given the same rights as humans. The idea that they represent some fifth column of alfalfa eating extremists is, really, quite silly.
It's exaggerated hyperbole, masquerading as insight and is rarely relevant to the discussion at hand. People like Jadzia may have some dystopian views on the issue, but positing the idea that they, the ones who so obviously lack power in this grand equation, constitute some kind of nebulous threat "to freedom" is little more than paranoid, pompous egoism.
I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, as I enjoy the sensations derived from meat-consumption and can live with the moral ambiguity. I'm not afraid that Jadzia's moralizing about this is going to have federal agents raiding my fridge for contraband chicken nuggets anytime soon.
I'm all for debating the issue as I get that Veganism (unlike most Vegetarianism) is very polarizing because of its moral component and because it questions and admonishes people for something most take for granted. However, there is a difference between debate and intransigence disguising itself as such. That goes for both sides.
It's exaggerated hyperbole, masquerading as insight and is rarely relevant to the discussion at hand. People like Jadzia may have some dystopian views on the issue, but positing the idea that they, the ones who so obviously lack power in this grand equation, constitute some kind of nebulous threat "to freedom" is little more than paranoid, pompous egoism.
I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, as I enjoy the sensations derived from meat-consumption and can live with the moral ambiguity. I'm not afraid that Jadzia's moralizing about this is going to have federal agents raiding my fridge for contraband chicken nuggets anytime soon.
I'm all for debating the issue as I get that Veganism (unlike most Vegetarianism) is very polarizing because of its moral component and because it questions and admonishes people for something most take for granted. However, there is a difference between debate and intransigence disguising itself as such. That goes for both sides.
Ah. A Godwin moment. Funny, that.
I think the real problem is defining whose definition of "bad" is correct, and it is clear from the thread that this varies considerably. [Bra... vo [sarcastic hand-clapping] - everyone]
That's not really the point-- the point is that people should be judgmental of ideas and beliefs. It's only okay to be tolerant of ideas and beliefs that are not harmful. Godwin aside, we should not be tolerant of Nazis or Klansmen or anti-Gay crusaders or pedophiles or illegal downloading or whatever.
Ah. A Godwin moment. Funny, that.
I think the real problem is defining whose definition of "bad" is correct, and it is clear from the thread that this varies considerably. [Bra... vo [sarcastic hand-clapping] - everyone]
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