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Just watched Friendship One

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What a great episode that was.

USS Voyager is assigned its first mission by Starfleet since becoming stranded in the Delta quadrant in the year 2371. Captain Janeway informs the crew that they have been assigned to find an ancient Earth probe launched several years after Earth's first warp flight. The probe, named Friendship One carried information on technology, such as antimatter reactors and communication transceivers. :techman:

One of the best. True trek i think.
 
Isn't that the one where Joe Carey dies?
And Calamity Janeway reflects at the end that space exploration isn't worth the cost of one life?

Wonderful.
 
I might have figured out something awesome.

If that was an official Starfleet mission.

(Great shades of The Dirty Dozen!!)

And Janeway AND her crew were empowered to carry (RIP) out the will of Starfleet via orders... Without imposing provisions to address her "convict labour" was this here Starfleet ratifying the Maquis field commissions and provisional rank badges?

A harsher admiral would insist that the "rebel scum" be segmented from the mission and the active crewmen carrying (RIP) the flag for this assignment because it's not like no matter how well Janeway taught these monkeys to march in a straight line with shiny boots that they had the right stuff, and even so, this was no longer a question of just surviving and buggering on, this was about being personifications of an ideal and the instruments of a particular ethic of which these selfish terrorists are the antithesis of.

Even though they still must stand trial for all that murder, theft, and sedition, if they get to the other end outside a penal colony, any of the Maquis can then trade on their rank to find position gained on Voyager towards any other Starfleet ship because in Friendship one they served at the pleasure of Starfleet Command.

Aces?
 
Isn't that the one where Joe Carey dies?
And Calamity Janeway reflects at the end that space exploration isn't worth the cost of one life?

Wonderful.

Yeah, I actually loved this episode overall, but I was so upset they killed off Joe. :( Poor guy; he was a really great minor character.

I always figured that Janeway made that comment out of grief, wrong as it was. If anyone on that ship really thought that way, they'd all be back on Earth working at McDonald's or something.
 
I don't know whether I think it's crazier that they brought Joe back just to kill him, or that Janeway shows up just a couple weeks later to save everyone but apparently couldn't show up just a bit earlier to prevent Joe's utterly pointless death.

And Janeway's speech at the end...oy gevalt.
 
I appreciated that they wanted to kill off a recurring character, someone we as the audiece had become somewhat attached to. Most of the deaths among the Voyager crew were nameless background extras, no connection there. So, I think this was a great, and gutsy, move on the producers part.

It a shame that they royally f#%ked it up by having the recurring character be someone who hadn't appeared for years. Hell, Carey's only other appearance after the first season was in Relativity. His appearance in that episode was confined to the portions set in the past. So, he was only there to reinforce the idea that this wasn't "the present."

We had virtually no connection to Carey by the end of the seventh season. If he had died at the end of first, or the beginning of the second, season, it would have meant something. But, to be honest, when I first saw the episode, I didn't even remember the guy - that how little connected I was with him as a character. If they really wanted to sock it to us with a character death, they should have picked a recurring character that was in much more recent episodes.

From what I've read and heard, they had the choices narrowed down to three - Carey, Vorik, and Samantha Wildman - before they finally picked Carey. Here's what I would have done....

I would have chosen Samantha Wildman to kill off. Not only did she have much more recent appearances, but we also had a connection to her through Naomi. If Samantha died, we would not only feel for her, we would also feel bad for Naomi. Who would take care of her now that her mother was gone?

The most logical choice to become her foster parent would have been Neelix, since he was something like a god-parent to her anyway. However, with Neelix leaving the ship a few episodes later, who would the responsibility fall to then?

Seven, that's who. She was also something of a god-parent to Naomi, so she would be the next logical choice, especially considering her recent experiences with the Borg children. IMHO, having Seven suddenly become a full time mother to a child who didn't expouse Borg philosophy would have done a HELL of a lot more to develop her character than that ridiculous romance-out-of-nowhere with Chuckles.

So, having Samantha Wildman be the one who was killed not only would have done what the producers wanted - socked it to the audience's emotions - it would also have set up future character development for three other characters.

As it is, Carey is essentially just another redshirt, abeit one with a name.

So, Friendship One was a great idea for an episode, but horribly flawed in it's execution.
 
The Maquis were all pardoned at the end of the Dominion War... those that survived anyway.

Novels?

In the last stages of season 6 Voyager, in life life the Maquis were still identified as a problem to be handled.

Besides, being blanket pardoned for belonging to a political group is hardly the same as having all your individual and unique terrorist activities legally expunged.
 
I don't know whether I think it's crazier that they brought Joe back just to kill him, or that Janeway shows up just a couple weeks later to save everyone but apparently couldn't show up just a bit earlier to prevent Joe's utterly pointless death.

Admiral Janeway didn't want to wait around for weeks before Voyager reached the Borg transwarp hub.

"So you really showed up weeks early just to save Joe Carey."

"Yes."

"Really?"

"Yes, goddamn it, now bring me more coffee!"
 
I don't know whether I think it's crazier that they brought Joe back just to kill him, or that Janeway shows up just a couple weeks later to save everyone but apparently couldn't show up just a bit earlier to prevent Joe's utterly pointless death.

Admiral Janeway didn't want to wait around for weeks before Voyager reached the Borg transwarp hub.

"So you really showed up weeks early just to save Joe Carey."

"Yes."

"Really?"

"Yes, goddamn it, now bring me more coffee!"

Let's not get into how dumb Endgame and all that was.

I liked Friendship One. Out of most of Voyager's season seven that I disliked, this one stood out. It was sort've generic to have the one free thinker and the one close minded person of the group come to a head, but other than that (and the Janeway line), I liked it.
 
Possibly :shifty:

I really need to buy seasons six and seven and rewatch them. :sigh:

ADMIRAL HAYES [on monitor]: as we get closer and our conversations become more frequent. When you respond to this message, please let us know of any casualties. I'm sure you've had more than your share. I'm anxious to know the status of your crew, the Maquis, first contacts that you've made, interactions with the Borg, but there'll be time for everything. Our thoughts are with you. Talk to you soon.
CHAKOTAY: What.
JANEWAY: Status of the Maquis.
CHAKOTAY: Do you find that surprising?
JANEWAY: I don't think of you or B'Elanna or the others as Maquis. I think of you as part of my crew.
CHAKOTAY: You may have forgotten, but we haven't. You heard the Admiral. It'll be years before we have to deal with those issues. Let's worry about it then.
Janeway it seems from this left the Maquis' "status" up in the air after Caretaker and then FORGOT to either pardon them or arrange some sort of work release order that their service towards the ships continuing mission counted against any future imposed prison sentence... She wasn't even keeping a pardon on the back burner (if it was in her power to do so, of which is would have been less so once they were in contact with Earth.) for when they returned, she just simply forgot that a 1/4 of her crew spent some years murdering Cardassian nationals and Starfleet officers that got in their way while they shat on the federations flag.

On the otherside of the table Chakotay didn't want (shouldn't want) a pardon because frankly, he didn't do do any thing wrong, and further more it is the federation who should apologise to the Maquis for being monumental pricks abandoning them to a butchering after selling their homes out from under them and then doubly apologise for hunting the Maquis like dogs after claiming two facedly to have washed their hands of them.

It's possible that Chakotay wanted a huge Messy trial, and it's also possible that he was biding his time before exacting his mutiny that he and his crew were not going to take over the ship until they were close enough to the DMZ to take advantage of Voyagers firepower for their own political recourse.
 
That is highly unlikely, however. As you pointed out in another thread, it would seem Chakotay got his position in the Maquis due to politics and not because he was any good at leading.
 
Merit not politics.

That starfleet education is damn impressive.

I began to believe there was something wrong with him as a "true believer" after he decided not to use that dreadnought weapon when he had the chance. Considering B'Elanna primed the bomb and flung it at a few million people missed and almost hit a complelye different couple million people (Caretaker tried to mate with a bomb? What an idiot.) it's possible that she was his defacto political Officer making sure he didn't panzy out when offered the really choice opportunities...

Remember Kira screaming at Tom Riker that he didn't have the balls to use the Defiant the way a real terrorist would given the express opportunity to smash the enemy like she would have in his shoes?
 
I liked "Friendship 1", but then again I liked most of Voyager.

The problem with killing off "anyone" is that if its just another redshirt, then its "who cares"... and if its someone we see frequently then its "not fair".

Joe Carey had a history, and was an intergral part of Voyager's first season. He fought with B'Elanna and he fought beside her and Seska against the Captain...Janeway just didn't know it.

He had a life before Voyager which included his wife and sons, a life he would be resuming in a few months though he didn't know it.

For us, for Janeway to lose such a character near the end of such a long journey is made to feel the loss even greater.

As for Janeway's thoughts at the end of the episode, they are her own private thoughts, uttered only for the ears of her XO. The scene made me think of the end of that season 1 BATTLESTAR episode (33) where Apollo was trying to come to grips with his part in shooting down the passenger liner. Roslyn showed him a scrap of paper she kept in her pocket with the Ship's name on it, to remind her always, at what price their freedom was bought.
 
umm, I liked this episode although I thought bringin' back Carey to kill him was kinda rude and stuff.

this was like, a perfect time to kill Harry. so many wasted opportunities to kill that annoying bastard. :mad:

oh well, guess I can still throw stuff at the TV every time he's on screen. I've actually gotten pretty good at hittin' him with wadded up paper. :lol:

Joe Carey had a history, and was an intergral part of Voyager's first season. He fought with B'Elanna

Carey got his nose busted by B'Elanna.

that was really cool!
 
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