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Enterprise vs TOS: Why Does Enterprise Lose the Canon War?
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Saquist
Commodore
Actually, no. I wouldn't be in that crowd. Like I said, I'm an artist. I think on a different wavelength that most others and even still different from most artist.
The Abramsprise was the ugliest ship I had ever set eyes on in Trek.
When I think of the original ship with updates I see a ship that physically looks almost just like that ship with...Ryan Church like texturing.
Nacelles:
The Nacelles would be my primary focus. The most 60's ish thing about them were the orange tips. I would change that. I'd make them black glass with a very slow spining red blades or glowing white blades under the black glass.
Add mounts to the top of the pylons to support the nacelles. I actually like the tapering and ends of the Abramsprise nacelles. I'd keep that.
Neck
Add another mount here at the bottom of the neck to suppor it on the secondary hull and taper the black to blend with the lower hull. The neck would be just a bit thicker too and add sensors to the sides of it and rear (I've always found necks like this wast of space putting the torpedoes or shuttle bay there was a good idea to justify the extra space.)
Pylons
The pylons need support of the hull structure as well. I could achive this without radically changing the design by adding that support to the interior side of the pylons by linking them together at the base with a rear tapering ridged bar on connecting the secondary hull and pylons together securely as almost one structure. ( I'd have to work with that)
Saucer
Would be much like TMP ship, again like Abrams but with a few more raised elements (only a FEW) that would subtle imply that more is underneath the hull but still generally smooth and simple.
Deflector
Lots of people play around with this and have failed in my estimation including Ryan Church. It would be black like the nacelle tips but mostly made of structural supports (beams) and the center would be a smooth surface similar in color to the hull.
I've been meaning to do this actually in CAD but I'm not that good.
It's monday, where's it at?
Second!
Back to topic...
Here's one possible reason.
TOS isn't just a science fiction show about the future. Now it's also a universe with an alternative history to our own. It's just that much richer.
Enterprise is just another permutation of that, and in some ways, might not be as interesting in its possibilities. Also, there's a lot that's introduced in Enterprise that is never heard or seen again by TOS. Enterprise shapes the future much different than most fans enjoying TOS would have fathomed.
Just a theory.
Here's one possible reason.
TOS isn't just a science fiction show about the future. Now it's also a universe with an alternative history to our own. It's just that much richer.
Enterprise is just another permutation of that, and in some ways, might not be as interesting in its possibilities. Also, there's a lot that's introduced in Enterprise that is never heard or seen again by TOS. Enterprise shapes the future much different than most fans enjoying TOS would have fathomed.
Just a theory.
Actually, having thought about this for a day, it doesn't matter what "we" think about The Future: TPTB of the post-TOS series have accepted the technology, fashions, and styles of the original series as Trek lore. While Voyager only showd us Sulu's Excelsior from TUC, TNG, DS9 and ENT all had episodes which depicted a Kirk era Constitution class starship and took pains to make them as accurate as they could. This includes jeweled buttons, bright flashy lights and giant hallways (they were rarely empty in the original series) as we;; as miniskirts, commucators, phasers, tricorders, and sideburns.
So, whether any one of us individually wants to accept it or not, it has been firmly established that in the time of Kirk's 5 year mission, the tech and style will become what we saw in the 60's series. It wil lthen evolve from that to the touch screens and more functional look. So there's no reason to even consider removing TOS from anything. The final season of Enterprise actually started moving in that direction in various subtle ways, at least as far as the graphics on workstation screens and the back wall of the transporter chamber.
I don't think any Trek series should be removed from the continuity or disregarded. As others have suggested, I feel the most prominent and important details should be accepted, while glossing over the smaller inconsistencies which came about for various reasons. For example, I'm fine with moving the Eugenics Wars up a century, because the 1990's seemed far away in 1966, but are now long gone. But as long as the important stuff is held to, I don't really care. Eh, as long as the show is good...
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TOS tholians, gorn, klingons, organians, tellarites, vulcans ftw!
Easy; canon fidelity is established by fidelity to prior information. TOS came first, and that's where canon fidelity begins. This should be absurdly obvious.
I couldn't care less about canon fidelity; but if a person does care, then obviously that information which comes first is the foundation of the information. The information that comes later is the only information that can be judged as faithful or unfaithful to what comes prior; that which comes prior cannot possibly be judged faithful/unfaithful to that which comes later.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question because this is so obvious- what is the question?
I couldn't care less about canon fidelity; but if a person does care, then obviously that information which comes first is the foundation of the information. The information that comes later is the only information that can be judged as faithful or unfaithful to what comes prior; that which comes prior cannot possibly be judged faithful/unfaithful to that which comes later.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question because this is so obvious- what is the question?
umm, to me the answer is like, obvious and stuff:
TOS = the ORIGINAL series.
I care about TAS.
TAS ROCKS!!
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Same here.
ProtoAvatar
Fleet Captain
TOS is the series that LEAST fits the universe created by all the other series/movies.
If one series is to be excluded from canon, TOS is this series.
If TOS fans prefer, they're free to consider TOS as taking place in its own universe and the other series as describing another universe altogether.
If one series is to be excluded from canon, TOS is this series.
If TOS fans prefer, they're free to consider TOS as taking place in its own universe and the other series as describing another universe altogether.
Deal!
As long as everything that originated with Star Trek is not allowed to be used by the later series...
That includes:
The Starship Enterprise
Vulcans
Romulans
Klingons
United Federation of Planets
Starfleet
United Earth Space Probe Agency
Phasers
Photon Torpedoes
Transporters
Warp Drive
Zephram Cochrane
Andorians
Tellarites
Kang
Kor
Koloth
Montgomery Scott
Leonard McCoy
Spock
Dilithium Crystals
Psi 2000 virus
Saucer separation
Prime Directive
Number One
Cestus III
Orions
Orion Slave Girls
Pike City
Tribbles
The Starship Defiant
I'm sure I could go on...
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ProtoAvatar
Fleet Captain
Deal!
As long as everything that originated with Star Trek is not allowed to be used by the later series...
That includes:
The Starship Enterprise
Vulcans
Romulans
Klingons
United Federation of Planets
Starfleet
United Earth Space Probe Agency
Phasers
Photon Torpedoes
Transporters
Warp Drive
Zephram Cochrane
Andorians
Tellarites
Kang
Kor
Koloth
Montgomery Scott
Leonard McCoy
Spock
Dilithium Crystals
Psi 2000 virus
Saucer separation
Prime Directive
Number One
Cestus III
Orions
Orion Slave Girls
Pike City
Tribbles
The Starship Defiant
I'm sure I could go on...
"As long as everything that originated with Star Trek is not allowed to be used by the later series..."
Using elements from already existing fictional universes to build new, separate fictional universes is standard practice - if one has the legal rights, that is (sometimes, even when not).
This says nothing about the identity or the distinctiveness of the universes, BillJ.
