Aliens movies

[DonIago]

(nods) Given that Fincher was also behind Fight Club, which I tend to consider a pretty darn good flick, it would be hard for me to blame Alien3 solely on him.

OTOH, it sounds like 3's storyline is as horribly contrived as I remembered it being, which in and of itself would make it vastly inferior to Aliens IMO. While Aliens was by no means the deepest story ever, it at least made sense.

 

[Anwar]

It's pretty easy: The Queen laid an egg in the landing gear of the dropship (she doesn't NEED that big sac, people!). This was the Superfacehugger egg. It hatched and searched the ship until it found Ripley and co in hypersleep. It tried to get to Newt, but cut itself on the glass. The acid melted into the vital circuitry in the floor and caused an electrical fire. Since you can't use sprinklers on an electrical fire and it was important to get the crew out of there as fast as possible the ship ejected them along with the Superhugger.

They home in on Fiorina's Company Beacon (they had a working COMM system) but because the ejection mechanism was damaged in the fire the EEV was misfire-launched so they crashed. The superhugger kept Ripley alive when she was pulled out to the sea before detaching, while Newt and Hicks were killed either by the impact or the flooding. The superhugger then follows the Oxen back to the Prison when they drag the EEV away and infects one of them.

 

[Harvey]

Didn't the eggs in Alien wait to hatch until their was a potential host in range? Why would the egg that we're supposed to believe was left on the Sulaco hatch and not just sit there in wait?

 

[Anwar]

We never saw any proof that the eggs only hatch when someone is in range. The aliens brought the humans to the nest and webbed them up, but that's just to immobilize them.

Plus, it's a Superfacehugger. If it can be much bigger and tougher than a normal hugger it doesn't have to follow the (nonexistent) rules.

I wish they had kept the original origin for the eggs: That they were the captured victims of the aliens, turned into eggs to use on the other captures victims.

 

[DonIago]

(face-palm)
I'd say it's more accurate to say that we never saw the eggs hatch -without- stimulus.

A Superfacehugger, eh? How conveeeeenient.

For all the contrivances of Trek '09, the opening of Alien3 has it beat by a landslide AFAIC.

 

[Teelie]

There is no proof the eggs must need stimulation to open. But there's no proof they don't either. Alien 3's egg is shown briefly in the movie so there is more evidence towards it not requiring stimulus or that there was some exceptional difference to the egg for it to have hatched on its own.

"Superhugger" or not, it clearly was not an ordinary egg/hugger and thus exempt from the rules we've seen regardless. This is one plot hole you have to fill in yourself since the movie was so badly butchered post-production. I've got the director's cut on DVD but I haven't watched it yet.

 

[DonIago]

While I doubt it's possible, I'd be curious to hear whether the DC makes more sense of the opening. I'd also love to hear whether any of the cast/crew had anything to say about it.

I think the reason this is such a hot button for me is that I really wanted Alien3 to be good, and then it was -such- a let-down. I was completely unable to get past the manipulations of the opening sequence.

Let's not kid ourselves...for the opening of the film logic and everything we'd seen previously clearly took a backseat to getting the protagonist where she needed to be in the condition she needed to be in for the rest of the film to occur.

 

[Bones2]

(face-palm)
I'd say it's more accurate to say that we never saw the eggs hatch -without- stimulus.

A Superfacehugger, eh? How conveeeeenient.

For all the contrivances of Trek '09, the opening of Alien3 has it beat by a landslide AFAIC.

A facehugger being on the ship is hardly as ridiculous as Kirk happening to be shot onto a planet instead of being put in the brig, and that planet helpfully having old Spock and Scotty on. Get a sense of perspective. What would you have written for Alien 3?

 

[DonIago]

Since you haven't given me any particular parameters/requirements, a prequel sounds like a good plan. Or a plot which doesn't necessitate Ripley once again being off on her own.

 

[Anwar]

Prequels suck. If they didn't want to use Vincent Ward's "Space Monks" story they should have just used David Twohy's story about prisoners escaping a secret lab where experiments on the aliens are being done (and it's also revealed that the Company killed all the Sulaco survivors to silence them immediately on return).

 

[DonIago]

That could have had potential.

 

[Tulin]

(face-palm)
I'd say it's more accurate to say that we never saw the eggs hatch -without- stimulus.

A Superfacehugger, eh? How conveeeeenient.

Tell me about it.

It's called fanwank. Funny enough, it's pretty much always employed to cover the glaring plotholes in really bad stories.

 

[saturn5]

That could have had potential.

Totally appalling and if possible would have outraged Alien/Aliens fans more than what we did see! How do people think up these excerable ideas? Who on earth would want to see that?

Don't like the idea of a prequal, do Alien 5 without Sigourney and have it solve the mystery of the derelict

 

[DonIago]

I'm not sure solving the mystery of the derelict without either a prequel or at least a flashback would be particularly satisfying to the audience, though I'll acknowledge it's possible.

 

[saturn5]

I'm not sure solving the mystery of the derelict without either a prequel or at least a flashback would be particularly satisfying to the audience, though I'll acknowledge it's possible.

Oh, flashback sure! You could even include a scene at the end where we see the company sending the Nostromo out and have cameos from Weaver, Hurt etc (is it X-men 3 where we see a digitally youthed Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart?). But the idea of a prequal where they star makes no sense

 

[Anwar]

That could have had potential.

Totally appalling and if possible would have outraged Alien/Aliens fans more than what we did see! How do people think up these excerable ideas? Who on earth would want to see that?

People with guts? There is no "there MUST be a happy ending!" Clause in the Alien series. Aliens is the only one to have the "Disney" ending out of all the films.

 

[saturn5]

That could have had potential.

Totally appalling and if possible would have outraged Alien/Aliens fans more than what we did see! How do people think up these excerable ideas? Who on earth would want to see that?

People with guts? There is no "there MUST be a happy ending!" Clause in the Alien series. Aliens is the only one to have the "Disney" ending out of all the films.

No, Alien3 is the only one of the series that doesn't have an ending the audience can enjoy, all the others do although I'd hardly call any of them 'happy endings', they're just endings that reaffirm humanity

 

[Bishbot]

That could have had potential.

Totally appalling and if possible would have outraged Alien/Aliens fans more than what we did see! How do people think up these excerable ideas? Who on earth would want to see that?

People with guts? There is no "there MUST be a happy ending!" Clause in the Alien series. Aliens is the only one to have the "Disney" ending out of all the films.

Please. If you hate Aliens' so-called "Disney ending" so much you must hate it in Alien when Ripley goes back for the cat? Who then survives with her? I expect you'll say something like "she was trying to claw back a vestige of all that she had lost to the alien" but, frankly, Alien has a vaguely positive ending, when you include Jones. Maybe not quite so positive as the second movie, but of the four, Alien 3 is the odd one out, not Aliens (although Alien: Resurrection is total balls, whereas I'm just not that keen on Alien 3 compared to the first two - it's still a fairly good movie on it's own terms).

 

[crouteru]

Alien 3 has a great ending. I was very moved by Ripley's heroic sacrifice, and nothing the haters say can ever change that.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

The Thing is superb, though some characters are undeveloped and it seems at points they just arbitrarily decided who was and wasn't the Thing. Still great though.

As opposed to arbitrarily deciding the Aliens can do whatever they need to do?