UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possible

[Haggis and tatties]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Well its now officially a hung parliament as no party can now achieve a overall majority from the remaining undeclared seats, which is a bit of a kick in the old nuts to the cons who after 13 years of labour and with the present economic climate and the expense scandal during the present government reign cant a get a majority from the voters.

Now its either all down to third party support for either of the two parties or even another election in 6 months time.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

If Brown, an unelected PM to begin with, remains PM after coming second then frankly I think we should stop being sanctomonious about other countries's democracy because we're practically in Iran here.

You can actually cut that out any time you like. Thanks.

 

[SiorX]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Okay. No. So here's totally what's going to happen -

Lib/Lab coalition. Followed by referendum to reform the electoral process. Followed by dissolution of parliament and a new election free from FPTP and the blatant gerrymandering.

...Let me have my dreams.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Okay. No. So here's totally what's going to happen -

Lib/Lab coalition. Followed by referendum to reform the electoral process. Followed by dissolution of parliament and a new election free from FPTP and the blatant Gerrymandering.

...Let me have my dreams.

Don't stop believin'...hold on to that feelin'...

Sadly, it looks more like Lib/Con.

 

[John Picard]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

who gives a shit if he's boring and dull, he got the job done. he's not there to be fucking charismatic and look good on TV, he's there to run the country and that's what he did.

fucking tories are a buncha fucking cunts. fucking tax cuts just cuz you're married or cutting inheiretance tax for the filthy rich. bollocks.

LABOUR put money into the NHS, schools and cut crime. INDEPENDENT STATISTICS show Labour cut crime. LABOUR gave us the minimum wage and gave OAPS free bus passes, winter fuel payments and TV licenses. and kids free nursery places and a trust fund. fuck the Tories and fuck that smug bastard etonian spin-master that leads them and his fucking daughter-of-a-baron wife.

Look at the US. We have our Rock Star President everyone fawned over who hasn't done shit in over a year.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Okay. No. So here's totally what's going to happen -

Lib/Lab coalition. Followed by referendum to reform the electoral process. Followed by dissolution of parliament and a new election free from FPTP and the blatant Gerrymandering.

...Let me have my dreams.

Don't stop believin'...hold on to that feelin'...

Sadly, it looks more like Lib/Con.

It's pretty clear that the majority want nu Labour out to recharge their batteries.

A Con/LD coalition would be 1) impossible cos there'd never be a 2/3s majority of LD members in favour, 2) unstable.

LD support for a Con minority gov on a policy by policy basis is more likely and would be more stable - and right now what the country needs is stability more than one party or another.

A LibLab coalition is most likely, but would be a minority of minorities and the markets would plummet.

Like it or not, on purely practical terms for government stability, LD support of a Con government would actually be the best option, because the dependence on a non-coalition LD support would reign in any policies too far to the right *without* threatening to break up the cabinet itself. So, essentially the Tories wouldn't be able to be Tory, IYSWIM.

And, of course, because my pet issue is civil liberties, I'm biased, cos the Tories and LDs have already established they can work together on that (as well as education and the environment)

 

[Geckothan]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

LABOUR put money into the NHS, schools and cut crime. INDEPENDENT STATISTICS show Labour cut crime. LABOUR gave us the minimum wage and gave OAPS free bus passes, winter fuel payments and TV licenses. and kids free nursery places and a trust fund. fuck the Tories and fuck that smug bastard etonian spin-master that leads them and his fucking daughter-of-a-baron wife.

What.

 

[TedShatner10]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Labour has poured all the money into the public services and ramped up world-war grade debts and their attitude towards excessive immigration from the EU has been appalling. They've been little more than Red Tories in the last 15 years anyway and the election system is in dire need of reform (why the fuck did they hold during a work day and closed the ballots by 10pm?).

 

[SiorX]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Okay. No. So here's totally what's going to happen -

Lib/Lab coalition. Followed by referendum to reform the electoral process. Followed by dissolution of parliament and a new election free from FPTP and the blatant Gerrymandering.

...Let me have my dreams.

Don't stop believin'...hold on to that feelin'...

Sadly, it looks more like Lib/Con.

It's pretty clear that the majority want nu Labour out to recharge their batteries.

A Con/LD coalition would be 1) impossible cos there'd never be a 2/3s majority of LD members in favour, 2) unstable.

LD support for a Con minority gov on a policy by policy basis is more likely and would be more stable - and right now what the country needs is stability more than one party or another.

A LibLab coalition is most likely, but would be a minority of minorities and the markets would plummet.

Like it or not, on purely practical terms for government stability, LD support of a Con government would actually be the best option, because the dependence on a non-coalition LD support would reign in any policies too far to the right *without* threatening to break up the cabinet itself. So, essentially the Tories wouldn't be able to be Tory, IYSWIM.

And, of course, because my pet issue is civil liberties, I'm biased, cos the Tories and LDs have already established they can work together on that (as well as education and the environment)

I understand what you're saying, but I'd argue that - given the problems with the economy - what's needed is not just stability, but stability which offers the greatest possible degree of safety to the largest possible number of people.

Having a stable government to combat economic downturn isn't an awful lot of use if the party in power have no interest in capitalising upon that stability to help those most at risk, and Cameron's 'Big Society' plan is basically a promise to fuck over those people already marginalised.

I mean, ideally Labour would be out of power for awhile to recharge/reassess the party philosophy. Then a stable Tory government could restructure the economy, with LD support premised on holding the Tories to certain moral standards.

But the Tories economic recovery plan involves cutting support to those whom the Lib Dems are ostensibly in the business of protecting. I just don't know how the Lib Dems can get on board with the Tories without selling out their working class and leftist base just as badly as Nu Labour did.

But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Deckerd]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

There was an election in England?!?

Seriously though, from an outsider's point of view, if you asked people in other countries who the PM has been for the last few years, I am sure many would be hard pressed to tell you. This Brown person has NO presence and is instantly forgettable. Tony Blair, however had a real presence in the media.

This Brown guy is just boring and dull.

OTOH he didn't arselick the US Pres and lead us straight into a war which lasted 7 years.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

I understand what you're saying, but I'd argue that - given the problems with the economy - what's needed is not just stability, but stability which offers the greatest possible degree of safety to the largest possible number of people.

Having a stable government to combat economic downturn isn't an awful lot of use if the party in power have no interest in capitalising upon that stability to help those most at risk, and Cameron's 'Big Society' plan is basically a promise to fuck over those people already marginalised.

I mean, ideally Labour would be out of power for awhile to recharge/reassess the party philosophy. Then a stable Tory government could restructure the economy, with LD support premised on holding the Tories to certain moral standards.

But the Tories economic recovery plan involves cutting support to those whom the Lib Dems are ostensibly in the business of protecting. I just don't know how the Lib Dems can get on board with the Tories without selling out their working class and leftist base just as badly as Nu Labour did.
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yeah, but that's what I mean by an LD rein on that aspect of the Tories - I think that's more achievable with LD support of the Tories on a policy by policy basis, because if the Tories try that element, the LDs just vote against it with Labour and it doesn't get done. Whereas if they were in a coalition, that would break it up.

So, I still reckon LD support of a Tory minority is best for the country in the longest term - and I'm saying this as a former Labour voter turned longtime LibDem supporter.

 

[bigdaddy]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

I'd like to thank the British for making the USA system look less like a joke.

 

[John Picard]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

I'd like to thank the British for making the USA system look less like a joke.

I'd rather politicians have 6-weeks of campaigning rather than 2+ years.

 

[MNM]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

And don't get me started on what the fuck happened to the Lib Dems?

The same as always. You expected anything other than them finishing a distant third?

I think Brown should stand down as leader. If you are the sitting PM and cant lead your party to a majority in the election, surely your pride should compel you to go. He wont of course, he'll attempt to stay in power as long as possible. they always do....

 

[Deckerd]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Always? When was the last time this happened?

 

[SiorX]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

And don't get me started on what the fuck happened to the Lib Dems?

The same as always. You expected anything other than them finishing a distant third?

Not in terms of actual number of votes, they didn't.

 

[bigdaddy]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

I'd like to thank the British for making the USA system look less like a joke.

I'd rather politicians have 6-weeks of campaigning rather than 2+ years.

Because in the UK all they do is "It's election time" randomly, that wouldn't work here.

 

[John Picard]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

I'd like to thank the British for making the USA system look less like a joke.

I'd rather politicians have 6-weeks of campaigning rather than 2+ years.

Because in the UK all they do is "It's election time" randomly, that wouldn't work here.

In the US, Election Day should take place the week or two after April 15th.

 

[Meredith]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

How would you Brits feel about having another option on the Ballots:

"Let the Monarchy run the country for the next 5 years".

Sometimes I think if that option won it would cause a lot of the idiots on Downing street to re-think their existance and would be good for the country to clean out the political deadwood.

 

[captcalhoun]

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

i'd rather get rid of the monarchy and the peers thanks.

i can't see the Libs and the Cons working together, Cameron's in with the loony anti-semitic fascist nuts in Europe and wants to bring power back to Britain and Clegg wants more European integration and that's only the start.

why the fuck did they hold during a work day and closed the ballots by 10pm?

because they always do. are you, like, 18 or something? every election's been on a thursday and polls open between 7am and 10pm since the 1950s. if people can't get their asses there in the FIFTEEN HOURS the polls are open that's their fault.