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UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possible

Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

OTOH he didn't arselick the US Pres and lead us straight into a war which lasted 7 years.

Not that Brown didn't support invading Iraq, and Afghanistan and everyfuckingthingelse Blair did in foreign politics.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

I can hardly believe it myself, cos its something Ken Livingstone always had as an ambition, but just for anyone who thinks every Tory will screw over the public in favour of big business instead of the other way round...

http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2010/05/breaking-news-boris-collapses-the-tube-ppp.html

which is as astounding a story as the election results....

OTOH, it *is* Boris, who's so unpredictably loopy that I'm not sure he counts as a real example of any party...
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possible

On the contrary this is the best result by far.

The Conservatives have the best ideas and ability to sort out the countries debt and deficit. They actually have good ideas on getting people off benefits and back to work plus capping immigration will help open up more jobs for native populations. The Conservatives ideas to sort out this country is the best there is.

Now the best thing about the current situation is that if they form some kind of coalition with the Lib Dems we get the best of both worlds. The Lib Dems had great ideas too for sorting the country out. In such a coalition you have a right wing party and a left wing party which together will create a more centre leaning government as they work in conjunction.

The time of Labour is over and it's been a long time coming. We've had Labour for so long that people are scared to see them go, they cannot comprehend the fact that things without Labour will be far far better.

I hope and pray that the Tories and Lib Dems form a coalition.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

The liberals aren't a left-wing party, they are a central-left party which is a critical difference.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

I can hardly believe it myself, cos its something Ken Livingstone always had as an ambition, but just for anyone who thinks every Tory will screw over the public in favour of big business instead of the other way round...

http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2010/05/breaking-news-boris-collapses-the-tube-ppp.html

which is as astounding a story as the election results....

OTOH, it *is* Boris, who's so unpredictably loopy that I'm not sure he counts as a real example of any party...


Good old Boris. :lol: If only he could be PM...


Anyway, my local MP was re-elected successfully with a much bigger majority compared to 2005, and a significant swing to the Lib-Dems. Probably a good thing too, otherwise if they lost that seat, the Lib-Dems might have had to look for a new leader on Friday... ;)
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

The liberals aren't a left-wing party, they are a central-left party which is a critical difference.

I'm sure that's what everyone is led to believe but from looking at their policies and manifesto I conclude otherwise. The Lib Dems are as far left as they come.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Now the best thing about the current situation is that if they form some kind of coalition with the Lib Dems we get the best of both worlds. The Lib Dems had great ideas too for sorting the country out. In such a coalition you have a right wing party and a left wing party which together will create a more centre leaning government as they work in conjunction.

...

I hope and pray that the Tories and Lib Dems form a coalition.

That would certainly be the best option from this point - but I'd still say support and recognition from the LDs rather than a full coalition, as a full coalition would actually be less stable and more likely to break up.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

The liberals aren't a left-wing party, they are a central-left party which is a critical difference.

I'm sure that's what everyone is led to believe but from looking at their policies and manifesto I conclude otherwise. The Lib Dems are as far left as they come.

Apart from the Scottish Socialists, of course.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

The liberals aren't a left-wing party, they are a central-left party which is a critical difference.

I'm sure that's what everyone is led to believe but from looking at their policies and manifesto I conclude otherwise. The Lib Dems are as far left as they come.

They're a mixture, seeing as quite a few of them are former Old Labour members, and there are some former Tories among them as well.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

They actually have good ideas on getting people off benefits and back to work

"Stop benefits" isn't an idea.

plus capping immigration will help open up more jobs for native populations.
For the last time, no, it won't. The cap only applies to outside EU immigration, who have to prove employment and British advertising for that employment before they can come. So it will make little or no difference to the job market even if the simplistic idea of 'fewer immigrants = more jobs for us!' was actually legitimate (it isn't, higher populations also breed jobs, particularly in the service sector).

Now the best thing about the current situation is that if they form some kind of coalition with the Lib Dems we get the best of both worlds. The Lib Dems had great ideas too for sorting the country out. In such a coalition you have a right wing party and a left wing party which together will create a more centre leaning government as they work in conjunction.

The time of Labour is over and it's been a long time coming. We've had Labour for so long that people are scared to see them go, they cannot comprehend the fact that things without Labour will be far far better.

I hope and pray that the Tories and Lib Dems form a coalition.
The Lib Dems' sticking point, especially after what happened this week, will be electoral reform, and the Tories are the one party who simply can't budge on that without committing electoral suicide. PR or another more democratic system would destroy the Tory party's chance of every getting into government again. The small-c conservative voting population is just too small. Take a look at the election results from the point of view of vote share by ideology instead of party - the 'left', Labour, Lib Dem, Green, etc. share dwarfs the 'right', Tory, UKIP, English Democrats, etc share. The Tories can only achieve government because of first past the post. And that seems to be wher the Lib Dems won't budge. And rightly so, frankly. From a national perspective, our system is horribly undemocratic, and from a party perspective, the only way the Lib Dems can break their mold is to get their vote share (which still actually rose slightly despite the huge disappointment in votes) recognised for the support it actually represents, instead of crushed by the FPTP system.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

^^It will be interesting to see just how far the Cons are willing to u-turn on electoral reform for lib Dems support, i know the lib dems are in a position where they simply wont accept anything but that in any deal as they really have nothing to lose at this point but everything too gain from it in future elections.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

^^It will be interesting to see just how far the Cons are willing to u-turn on electoral reform for lib Dems support, i know the lib dems are in a position where they simply wont accept anything but that in any deal as they really have nothing to lose at this point but everything too gain from it in future elections.

Why is it a "u-turn" to hold a referndum about the electoral system anyway, isn't that sort of the minimum position? If the people of the UK want PR who does Cameron think he is to deny them? And if they don't then what is he afraid of?
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Why is it a "u-turn" to hold a referndum about the electoral system anyway, isn't that sort of the minimum position? If the people of the UK want PR who does Cameron think he is to deny them? And if they don't then what is he afraid of?

They do, and Cameron is acutely aware that it would be the death of conservative government in Britain. He is stuck in a very sticky situation - refuse, and he'll likely be unable to form a workable deal with Nick, the Lib Dems will turn to Labour and possibly push through a referendum anyway. Agree, and the referendum passes and he's shot his own party in the foot long term for this short term gain.

This could prove to be an historic election for this very reason.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

who gives a shit if he's boring and dull, he got the job done. he's not there to be fucking charismatic and look good on TV, he's there to run the country and that's what he did.

fucking tories are a buncha fucking cunts. fucking tax cuts just cuz you're married or cutting inheiretance tax for the filthy rich. bollocks.

LABOUR put money into the NHS, schools and cut crime. INDEPENDENT STATISTICS show Labour cut crime. LABOUR gave us the minimum wage and gave OAPS free bus passes, winter fuel payments and TV licenses. and kids free nursery places and a trust fund. fuck the Tories and fuck that smug bastard etonian spin-master that leads them and his fucking daughter-of-a-baron wife.

Look at the US. We have our Rock Star President everyone fawned over who hasn't done shit in over a year.
Except the Stimulus, and get a Supreme Court Justice through...and Health Care.

Do try and keep up.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

According to the BBC news that was just on, Wee Eck, Alex Salmond of the SNP, is trying to get Labour, Plaid, the DUP and Lib Dems to form a government.

That's the SNP who want to break up the UK, and have *three* MPs.

What a twat Wee Eck is, to put himself on such a pedestal as kingmaker when there's so much hatred for the idea that the Tories can have a quarter again as many votes as the LDs but six times as many seats!

What a great plan for stability t have the fucking *smallest* of the losing parties, who want to split from the UK anyway, try to pretend they can kingmake.

Jesus suffering fuck...
 
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Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

There isn't a feasible combination of non-Tory parties that can form a majority, any government that does will have to include them.
Including Northern Irish parties isn't wise - taking sides like that could have some real long term problems.
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Why is it a "u-turn" to hold a referndum about the electoral system anyway, isn't that sort of the minimum position? If the people of the UK want PR who does Cameron think he is to deny them? And if they don't then what is he afraid of?

They do, and Cameron is acutely aware that it would be the death of conservative government in Britain. He is stuck in a very sticky situation - refuse, and he'll likely be unable to form a workable deal with Nick, the Lib Dems will turn to Labour and possibly push through a referendum anyway. Agree, and the referendum passes and he's shot his own party in the foot long term for this short term gain.

This could prove to be an historic election for this very reason.
I have this horrible feeling that all this talk of election reform will lead to nothing changing.:(
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Nonsense. After all, we all talked about the Lib Dem surge, and that...


Oh wait. :(
 
Re: UK election. So much for our votes counting - worst result possibl

Something to cheer you all up:

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QplCetQYYKw[/yt]

"Haven't you got a city to run?" :guffaw:
 
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