RobertScorpio
Pariah
Okay Godzilla fans..especially you Gojirob. We know that a new USA GODZILLA movie is revving up. What is a must this time..and what is a must not???
Rob
Rob
USA Godzilla musts!
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Non suckitude?
I think the 199(8?) movie had it "right" in going with CG, centering it in America but it messed up in many, many other areas.
Most of which being that Godzilla was barely in the damn thing and when he did appear he didn't destroy anything of note and that more was destroyed by the military than by 'Zilla. Oh, and the Raptor rip-off and magic-indestructable cab and bridge ending.
Fuck it, just take the first ever Godzilla movie, change the characters and location to logical American counterparts and the guy in a suit to CG and then you'd have something.
Also.
Cameo by Jet Jaguar.
I think the 199(8?) movie had it "right" in going with CG, centering it in America but it messed up in many, many other areas.
Most of which being that Godzilla was barely in the damn thing and when he did appear he didn't destroy anything of note and that more was destroyed by the military than by 'Zilla. Oh, and the Raptor rip-off and magic-indestructable cab and bridge ending.
Fuck it, just take the first ever Godzilla movie, change the characters and location to logical American counterparts and the guy in a suit to CG and then you'd have something.
Also.
Cameo by Jet Jaguar.
Godzilla vs. Cloverfield.
You know you want it.
You know you want it.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Actually..I like Jet Jaguar!!! Great pic Trek4747
Rob
Rob
Non suckitude?
I think the 199(8?) movie had it "right" in going with CG, centering it in America but it messed up in many, many other areas.
Most of which being that Godzilla was barely in the damn thing and when he did appear he didn't destroy anything of note and that more was destroyed by the military than by 'Zilla. Oh, and the Raptor rip-off and magic-indestructable cab and bridge ending.
Fuck it, just take the first ever Godzilla movie, change the characters and location to logical American counterparts and the guy in a suit to CG and then you'd have something.
Also.
Cameo by Jet Jaguar.
With or without the song?
Yes, that would be cool.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
No!!!! No motherfracking man in suit!
Make it a CGI Godzilla, with the same techniques used to make King Kong at WETA Digital. But no man in a bad rubber costume. Otherwise, what's the point?
Have the movie's main action set in New York, and have Godzilla trash it totally with his nuclear power beam and long tail.
Save Jet Jaguar and the other monsters for other movies in the series.
Have the doctor who invented the McGuffin that destroys Godzilla die at the end as penance for having invented the weapon in the first place just like the original.
EDIT: BTW, I liked the 1998 US movie, and so does critic/sci-fi writer C.J. Henderson (The Encyclopedia Of Science Fiction Movies). And it wasn't a flop-not when it made four hundred million at the box offics.
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RobertScorpio
Pariah
I think Godzilla needs another monster. Godzilla, to me, is a lot like Superman in that everyone knows who and what they are..so let them fight someone.
I would have Godzilla fight one of his more famous enemies, but in CGI, and I mean good CGI. A recent japanese Godzilla movie had CGI and it sucked...
Godzilla vs Ghidorah..Could you imagine the FX shots with Ghidorah??? It would be so cool...
Rob
I would have Godzilla fight one of his more famous enemies, but in CGI, and I mean good CGI. A recent japanese Godzilla movie had CGI and it sucked...
Godzilla vs Ghidorah..Could you imagine the FX shots with Ghidorah??? It would be so cool...
Rob
Have Godzilla actually look like Godzilla. I liked the Always Sunny on the Third Street 2 Dream Sequence CG Godzilla.
The music needs to be epic and instrumental, limit the modern "pop, rap, rock, etc". The classic Godzilla March must return (you can hear it in the above video)!
It needs to be on a larger scale than just one city, an entire state or the entire country will do.
If they plan to show the birth of Godzilla than they need to go with the Godzillasaurus on Lagos Island being nuked.
If they decide to have Godzilla fight another kaiju (which they should), then for the first film it shouldn't be one of the main stars, IE Ghidorah, Mechagodzilla, etc. They should use a lesser known kaiju like Hedorah, Varan, Megalon, etc. If they must create a new monster they should use either Kyrstalak or Obsidius from Godzilla: Unleashed.
The focus of the film needs to be on the Kaiju, keep human screen time to a minimal. Don't let it be Godzilla Final Wars again (IE a Matrix rip off that just happened to have kaiju fighting in the background)! If Raymond Burr hadn't passed I would say bring Steve Martin back. However I think at the end of the film, if Godzilla gets sent away some how, this quote needs to be played over the ending:
"Nature has a way sometimes of reminding Man of just how small he is. She occasionally throws up terrible offspring's of our pride and carelessness to remind us of how puny we really are in the face of a tornado, an earthquake, or a Godzilla. The reckless ambitions of Man are often dwarfed by their dangerous consequences. For now, Godzilla - that strangely innocent and tragic monster - has gone to earth. Whether he returns or not, or is never again seen by human eyes, the things he has taught us remain."---Steve Martin (Godzilla 1985)
The film must have a relatively somber tone, no gallivanting stupidity.
More to come as I think of them.....
The music needs to be epic and instrumental, limit the modern "pop, rap, rock, etc". The classic Godzilla March must return (you can hear it in the above video)!
It needs to be on a larger scale than just one city, an entire state or the entire country will do.
If they plan to show the birth of Godzilla than they need to go with the Godzillasaurus on Lagos Island being nuked.
If they decide to have Godzilla fight another kaiju (which they should), then for the first film it shouldn't be one of the main stars, IE Ghidorah, Mechagodzilla, etc. They should use a lesser known kaiju like Hedorah, Varan, Megalon, etc. If they must create a new monster they should use either Kyrstalak or Obsidius from Godzilla: Unleashed.
The focus of the film needs to be on the Kaiju, keep human screen time to a minimal. Don't let it be Godzilla Final Wars again (IE a Matrix rip off that just happened to have kaiju fighting in the background)! If Raymond Burr hadn't passed I would say bring Steve Martin back. However I think at the end of the film, if Godzilla gets sent away some how, this quote needs to be played over the ending:
"Nature has a way sometimes of reminding Man of just how small he is. She occasionally throws up terrible offspring's of our pride and carelessness to remind us of how puny we really are in the face of a tornado, an earthquake, or a Godzilla. The reckless ambitions of Man are often dwarfed by their dangerous consequences. For now, Godzilla - that strangely innocent and tragic monster - has gone to earth. Whether he returns or not, or is never again seen by human eyes, the things he has taught us remain."---Steve Martin (Godzilla 1985)
The film must have a relatively somber tone, no gallivanting stupidity.
More to come as I think of them.....
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Stick closer to the original design, don't make it look like a whole new monster. More Godzilla, better writting, no need to get another monster in yet, this is the first time the Yanks have done it save that for the sequels like the Japs did. Besides I don't think the tag team monster suits will go down as well in American as in Japan.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5788074/7/Tales_Of_Gojira
Okay, some thoughts :
1 - G98 suffered mainly from trying to use the brand name. ID4 didn't call itself WOTW, and yet the parallels and homages were plain. It would never have had a stigma, had it not earned the ire of GFans by claiming a near-sacred icon's name.
2 - CGI is good when used tastefully with suitamation. Ever see the 90's Heisei G's? The ones where the explosions always occurred in the water and air around the kaiju? Toho Execs hated G98 (Devlin/Emmerich euphemistically said they were rendered 'speechless' by the private screening) but loved the possibilities CGI opened up. Certain shots may demand a suit, which CGI can clean up by erasing zippers and other flaws, but if you want a scene where Ghidorah has an unexploded ICBM stuck in one of its eyes, you need CGI.
3 - As to the monster not appearing too much--really they don't. Their appearances are meant to be sparse and dramatic.
Use the Doomsday Machine as a measure--how many scenes was it actually in that entire ep, and how long do they last comparable to the on-ship scenes? The monster will not and even must not appear much of the time. Their appearances create horror. Their non-appearances and the tension surrounding them create terror. Even if an entire film took place during an active running Godzilla battle, how many of those scenes would take place inside buildings being shaken by that battle?
4 - Godzilla is a tsunami or hurricane on two legs, mixed with a bit of wrath thrown in for nature's violation. The message is, sometimes nature does this anyway--but now, its also pissed, and this giant strange creature is the result. That theme is what is needed to make a G-film.
5 - Make it truly nigh-invulnerable. None of this movie-land 'If 1000 bullets a minute won't do it, try 10,000' or like that. You stand a better chance of slowing Godzilla by blowing the subway tunnels beneath his feet than you do any bomb short of The Bomb---which is what created him in the first place, duh. Keep the classic design, and maybe insert some international politics, like having it attack North Korea prior to America, since their many experiments draw its hungry attention.
6 - My last, and personal suggestion : Do what all G-films up to now do (except 98) and use G54/56 as the first attack, and this is his return--maybe in America, but G54/56 still happened. It gives the effort some pedigree.
Okay, some thoughts :
1 - G98 suffered mainly from trying to use the brand name. ID4 didn't call itself WOTW, and yet the parallels and homages were plain. It would never have had a stigma, had it not earned the ire of GFans by claiming a near-sacred icon's name.
2 - CGI is good when used tastefully with suitamation. Ever see the 90's Heisei G's? The ones where the explosions always occurred in the water and air around the kaiju? Toho Execs hated G98 (Devlin/Emmerich euphemistically said they were rendered 'speechless' by the private screening) but loved the possibilities CGI opened up. Certain shots may demand a suit, which CGI can clean up by erasing zippers and other flaws, but if you want a scene where Ghidorah has an unexploded ICBM stuck in one of its eyes, you need CGI.
3 - As to the monster not appearing too much--really they don't. Their appearances are meant to be sparse and dramatic.
Use the Doomsday Machine as a measure--how many scenes was it actually in that entire ep, and how long do they last comparable to the on-ship scenes? The monster will not and even must not appear much of the time. Their appearances create horror. Their non-appearances and the tension surrounding them create terror. Even if an entire film took place during an active running Godzilla battle, how many of those scenes would take place inside buildings being shaken by that battle?
4 - Godzilla is a tsunami or hurricane on two legs, mixed with a bit of wrath thrown in for nature's violation. The message is, sometimes nature does this anyway--but now, its also pissed, and this giant strange creature is the result. That theme is what is needed to make a G-film.
5 - Make it truly nigh-invulnerable. None of this movie-land 'If 1000 bullets a minute won't do it, try 10,000' or like that. You stand a better chance of slowing Godzilla by blowing the subway tunnels beneath his feet than you do any bomb short of The Bomb---which is what created him in the first place, duh. Keep the classic design, and maybe insert some international politics, like having it attack North Korea prior to America, since their many experiments draw its hungry attention.
6 - My last, and personal suggestion : Do what all G-films up to now do (except 98) and use G54/56 as the first attack, and this is his return--maybe in America, but G54/56 still happened. It gives the effort some pedigree.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
hmmm...Interesting. Most of the japanese reboots use G54 as a starting point. I don't think they will go that way though. I bet they start out fresh because of possible 'rights' issues, and, it will give the illusion that it "could" happen. Having G54 in the continuity would suggest it already takes place in an even more unreal universe that it already does...
Maybe they should combine GODZILLA with the rumored 24 movie....
Rob
Maybe they should combine GODZILLA with the rumored 24 movie....
Rob
Among the many, many lessons from G98 that they have to remember this time around, to me the primary one is that Godzilla has to be invulnerable to conventional military weapons.
When they got that wrong, they got everything wrong.
Godzilla is not Godzilla if getting hit by a couple of rockets can kill him, and he has to run and hide for the movie to not end in Act I.
If Godzilla can be killed by your average group of weekend deer hunters, then he is not a monster. He is a spotted owl or a California condor, who happens to be a little clumsy and accidentally breaks stuff.
They actually got it right in Cloverfield. The whole point of a Godzilla origin story is that humanity tries to fight him but everything fails until a morally questionable superweapon is deployed. Actually, I personally would change the "oxygen destroyer" subplot of the original to have that fail, too. Godzilla has to win and then he has to dance in humanity's end zone.
When they got that wrong, they got everything wrong.
Godzilla is not Godzilla if getting hit by a couple of rockets can kill him, and he has to run and hide for the movie to not end in Act I.
If Godzilla can be killed by your average group of weekend deer hunters, then he is not a monster. He is a spotted owl or a California condor, who happens to be a little clumsy and accidentally breaks stuff.
They actually got it right in Cloverfield. The whole point of a Godzilla origin story is that humanity tries to fight him but everything fails until a morally questionable superweapon is deployed. Actually, I personally would change the "oxygen destroyer" subplot of the original to have that fail, too. Godzilla has to win and then he has to dance in humanity's end zone.
Well there has to be a balance. You can't have the kaiju take up too much screen time, but the same goes for the humans.
Gojira, Godzilla, King of the Monsters!, Mothra vs. Godzilla, Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla, Godzilla 1985, Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters-All Out Attack are prime examples of the proper balance.
All Monsters Attack, Godzilla vs. Megalon, Godzilla vs. Gigan, Godzilla vs. Mothra, and especially Godzilla Final Wars are prime examples of the improper balance.
I also feel that if they decide to have the film continued from the Japanese films then it should continue from Godzilla 1985 (with Godzilla 1954 as the first) and Steve Martin's quote must be played over the ending if the film keeps the theme of Godzilla being a force of nature.
What? Americans can't make Godzilla movies! Have we not learned?
Musts....
Must have a Japanese director...
Must not have a non-Japanese director.
I want to see Godzilla get in a car, drink and run over Matthew Broderick then go on to have a successful career and not get into any trouble jsut because he is Godzilla.
G98 was a good monster movie, it was just a lousy Godzilla movie because it really didn't take itself seriously enough (Mathew Broderick is the star? Please.). That said, I loved the look and speed of the monster; lean, mean, and FAST.
What I MUST have?
1. Believable CGI monster with obvious design cues from the original... guy-in-a-suit ain't gonna cut it.
2. Nigh-invulnerability with a reasonable (all things considered) explanation. Incredible regeneration, natural armor plating, a biological radiated kinetic barrier... some combination therein. Whatever. This getting tied up on a bridge and then skewered with ASMs is horseshit.
3. Breath weapon.
4. A kickass reveal. One thing I think G98 did really nicely was the first appearance of G in New York. The huge wake bulge as he was about to surface, the back plates popping up, the foot as it passed over the freeway and a boat fell off of it. Good stuff.
5. I like the idea of the force of nature... but I also think the new G should be a protector of nature. I don't think he should die at the end, he should basically deliver a big-ass don't fuck with Mother Nature message and then head back to the ocean, letting humans exist and prosper as long as they don't screw up. That sets the stage for all kinds of sequel ideas ranging from bad humans to bad aliens to bad monsters and all kinds of combinations therein. When the ecosystem gets radically out of whack, Godzilla shows up and cleans house.
6. Neither Dean Devlin nor Roland Emmerich can come within 100 meters of anything dealing with anything Godzilla ever ever EVER.
Peace
Worfmonger
What I MUST have?
1. Believable CGI monster with obvious design cues from the original... guy-in-a-suit ain't gonna cut it.
2. Nigh-invulnerability with a reasonable (all things considered) explanation. Incredible regeneration, natural armor plating, a biological radiated kinetic barrier... some combination therein. Whatever. This getting tied up on a bridge and then skewered with ASMs is horseshit.
3. Breath weapon.
4. A kickass reveal. One thing I think G98 did really nicely was the first appearance of G in New York. The huge wake bulge as he was about to surface, the back plates popping up, the foot as it passed over the freeway and a boat fell off of it. Good stuff.
5. I like the idea of the force of nature... but I also think the new G should be a protector of nature. I don't think he should die at the end, he should basically deliver a big-ass don't fuck with Mother Nature message and then head back to the ocean, letting humans exist and prosper as long as they don't screw up. That sets the stage for all kinds of sequel ideas ranging from bad humans to bad aliens to bad monsters and all kinds of combinations therein. When the ecosystem gets radically out of whack, Godzilla shows up and cleans house.
6. Neither Dean Devlin nor Roland Emmerich can come within 100 meters of anything dealing with anything Godzilla ever ever EVER.
Peace
Worfmonger
RobertScorpio
Pariah
The only think I liked about G98 was when they lifted the lights and I could get the hell out of there. Godzilla vs Megallon was a better movie, and that was probably the worse one until G98 came along.
I think who ever directed CLOVERFIELD would be a perfect choice. Who cares if they are the same kind of movie. Most of the best Japanese Godzilla movies were directed by the same dude...
Rob
I think who ever directed CLOVERFIELD would be a perfect choice. Who cares if they are the same kind of movie. Most of the best Japanese Godzilla movies were directed by the same dude...
Rob
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