5x03 Victory of the Daleks (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!

[Count Zero]

The new episode is still over an hour away, but the discussion thread is already here.

Spoiler: plot synopsis from BBC web site

The Doctor has been summoned by his old friend Winston Churchill but in the Cabinet War Rooms, far below the streets of blitz-torn London, he finds his oldest enemy waiting for him... The Daleks are back! And can Churchill really be in league with them?

 

[ITL]

^ I love how the Dalek looks as though it's posing for the photo along with everyone else.

 

[Bacl]

I think that actor is fatter than Winston Churchill...by a lot.

 

[wamdue]

cool photo

pretty sure Churchill was in the recent Jonathan Creek with the 8th Doctor & Lucy

 

[O'Dib]

I've also seen him as Baron Harkonnen and a Nazi somewhere.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I think that actor is fatter than Winston Churchill...by a lot.

Depends on when "Victory of the Daleks" is set. If it's 1945, which wouldn't make any sense because victory was at hand, then no, it's close. If it's early days, like Battle of Britain days in 1940 and 1941 as the barrage balloons suggest, then he's way too heavy.

 

[Bacl]

I think that actor is fatter than Winston Churchill...by a lot.

Depends on when "Victory of the Daleks" is set. If it's 1945, which wouldn't make any sense because victory was at hand, then no, it's close. If it's early days, like Battle of Britain days in 1940 and 1941 as the barrage balloons suggest, then he's way too heavy.

Yeah, and I didn't mean that as any insult to the actor, by the way, but more along the lines of him just looking VERY overweight considering the photos I've seen of this time period. While i have not yet seen the episode (and thus should reserve judgement until I do) I agree with you that it seems to be early days due to Churchill's fear of losing the war expressed in the preview clips.

 

[RevdKathy]

Ok, last week's crap is forgiven. This was good.

Not wild about the obese daleks: definitely gained a few pounds of subcutaneous... ere sub-metallic... fat. But hey, I can live with fat daleks if necessary. My cousin who has downs syndrome will be delighted at the orange one.

 

[Captain Shaw]

Loved the spitfires but why can't Amy remember the daleks? Is the doctor in a AU?
With this and ashes to ashes TV is giving me lots of questions but no answers lately.
But can't wait for next week.
When Amy shouted after Churchill was I the only one who thought she was going to try and get him to do the ad.

 

[Eyes]

Brilliant. Best episode so far in the new series. Churchill, the android, and the Daleks, all brilliant.

I have to say, the new Daleks have gone a bit overboard with the bright paint job, and I could hardly hear what White Dalek was saying most of the time, but at least they escaped so we don't have any weird plot convolutions bringing them back for next time. Destroying the last Daleks in the universe, and then having them turn up again cheapens it. Good to know this won't happen until at least the next Dalek episode.

Very interesting dropping that huge bombshell of Amy never seeing the 2009 invasion. She should have. I guess it will all be explained soon.

Also, that crack at the end was way too obvious, just like the one in the Beast Below, I hope they don't do that every episode.

 

[Geckothan]

Loved it. Smith and Gillan (especially Smith) were excellent as usual. The new Dalek design was pretty cool. I thought the crack in the wall at the end was a bit too obvious though, they could have at least made it a bit more subtle.

 

[Piper]

When Amy shouted after Churchill was I the only one who thought she was going to try and get him to do the ad.

Me Was half convinced he was going to reply "Ohhh yes..."

Better than last week's, but still not hitting the buttons for me that The Eleventh Hour did. Odd new design of the Daleks, don't see the logic for it - liked the bright, Cushing-esque colours though. I couldn't help feeling that the episode's main reason for existing was to have Spitfires in Space.

The infamous "Daalllleeeekkkks!" line was actually in the end very well done by Smith.

 

[SeerSGB]

Loved the spitfires but why can't Amy remember the daleks? Is the doctor in a AU?
With this and ashes to ashes TV is giving me lots of questions but no answers lately.
But can't wait for next week.
When Amy shouted after Churchill was I the only one who thought she was going to try and get him to do the ad.

What was it the Doctor said about the crack: two realities pressed together, or something like that. It is entirely possible that the Doctor has slipped through the crack.

 

[Jax]

Good episode, not as good as ep 1 but better than ep 2. I felt a Daleks genesis episode needed a 2 parter for such a story but it was still good enough. I loved seeing Matt Smith play a more serious desperate Doctor for this episode though the Daleks falling through time line again was annoying. Why not Davros sent 1 ship away just incase his plans failed as a back up or something like that

I was thinking maybe what happened in End of time created the crack in time and The Doctor/Tardis fell through it to an AU universe but thats doesn't work because in episode 1 the big eye aliens scanned the database of our history and the Torchwood attack plus Daleks invasion was shown so can't be AU.

what is the dam crack

 

[RevdKathy]

Loved the spitfires but why can't Amy remember the daleks? Is the doctor in a AU?
With this and ashes to ashes TV is giving me lots of questions but no answers lately.
But can't wait for next week.
When Amy shouted after Churchill was I the only one who thought she was going to try and get him to do the ad.

What was it the Doctor said about the crack: two realities pressed together, or something like that. It is entirely possible that the Doctor has slipped through the crack.

That would explain why the atraxi (was it?) came for prisoner Zero in a space ship instead of following it through the crack, which has been buggering me since ep 1.

KBO!

 

[Jamee999]

I didn't like it that much. I dunno why. Matt and Karen were great, but I sort of felt like we've seen it before. I preferred last week's. I mean, it wasn't bad or anything, but...I was expecting more.

 

[ITL]

Pretty run of the mill stuff, really. Not too bad, not great either. I am liking Smith's approach, though - he reminded me of Eccles when he got all angritty and shouty, and I liked how his "testimony" was the crucial factor in the Daleks' plan.

New designs? Meh...I prefer the previous design. Wasn't keen on the bomb deactivation either. No biggie, though.

Best part? Amy's missing memories - should be good finding out what that's all about - I (along with everyone else, I suppose) should think it's tied into the Really Obvious Tear That Crops Up Every Week. Maybe.

 

[SG-17]

Does anyone have a wallpaper size of that photo (preferably 1366x768 or larger)?

It is just epic.

 

[EJA]

I thought it was quite average myself, not really doing anything with the Daleks that hasn't been done before (They got away at the end of Doomsday, and again at the end of Evolution of the Daleks). I feel it's worth mentioning that in the time period the new Daleks are currently in, their ancestors from before the Time War will be living on Skaro, so they're hardly the only Daleks around.

It is disquieting that Amy knows nothing of the Dalek invasion in the 2000s though, and I would like to see that cleared up soon, although I personally hope that the finale to this season doesn't involve the Daleks.

 

[Jax]

Can't be AU surley because the history scan done by atraxi. I just wonder if events are being blurred for non time sensitive species due to realites merging maybe forcing memories of one universe into people of the other.