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Humble or Arrogant ~ How do you see yourself?

I belive myself to be

  • humble

    Votes: 12 16.0%
  • arrogant

    Votes: 17 22.7%
  • it depends on the situation

    Votes: 38 50.7%
  • you tell me!

    Votes: 8 10.7%

  • Total voters
    75
We're studying "the self" in social psychology right now and I'm amazed at all the self-serving cognitive behaviors we utilize. Also apparently a high self-esteem and some of these self-enhancing behaviors have real benefits, so arrogance could have its merits!

And Holdfast, if you're reading this, I'm enjoying social psychology quite a bit and it's much more than you let on.
 
As far as social psychology goes, there's definatly a differance between a healthy ego and an "over-enflated ego", arrogance is usually evidence of the latter.
I definetly think everyone, especially scientists ;), should take a few psychology courses in order to understand how blind we can be to our own faulty judgements and "rationale" when it comes to defending certain long cherished, but ultimatly unproven, and indeed in most cases, unprovable paradigms.
 
I keep meaning to comment in this thread, and keep forgetting once I've finished reading the most recent set of replies!

When reading K'ehleyr's original post, my immediate instinct was to think "Arrogant" for myself, so I was very amused to see K'ehleyr had actually put me down as "Humble" I must be a better writer than I thought :whistle:

I don't think I could draw up a list of who I think are either humble or arrogant, although going by this thread I could probably just list all my favourite posters under "Arrogant" and I'd be right :lol:
 
Definetly mostly humble. The guy who thinks talking is best and try to be of assistance most of the time. Except if you like drive a Volvo, especially with no mufflers. Then you're just an idiot.
 
Do you think there could be an analogy to glass half full/glass half empty here?

Humble people are more acutely aware of what they can't do. Whereas arrogant people are the opposite, tending to think more about the things they can do.

I'm not sure. Being humble vs. arrogant may be independent of being optimistic/pessimistic. My brother comes to mind. He's an arrogant pessimist. To him, the world sucks, and he's the only one who smart enough to see how much the world sucks.

My brother is the same way. Is yours a worthless drunk too?
 
...When reading K'ehleyr's original post, my immediate instinct was to think "Arrogant" for myself, so I was very amused to see K'ehleyr had actually put me down as "Humble" I must be a better writer than I thought :whistle: ...

My judgements were made only on Misc posts, I've obviously missed you in TNZ ;)
 
We're studying "the self" in social psychology right now and I'm amazed at all the self-serving cognitive behaviors we utilize. Also apparently a high self-esteem and some of these self-enhancing behaviors have real benefits, so arrogance could have its merits!

And Holdfast, if you're reading this, I'm enjoying social psychology quite a bit and it's much more than you let on.

Yeah, I simplified just a little. ;)

Actually, I'd suggest studying concepts of self and related ego defences shouldn't really fall under the heading of social psychology at all, but whatever. The dividing lines can be pretty arbitrary, and as long as you're learning the stuff, you can decide how it all fits together best later on.

Maybe there are two different kinds of pessimism?

As a personality trait, we could call it something like "introverted pessimism", that would be a pessimistic perspective of ones own abilities, and possibly shows a greater correlation with humbleness. Your brother would have a converse personality trait, "extraverted pessimism", that takes a hypercritical view of others abilities.

Most personality classification systems are multiaxial, allowing a person to be mapped to a region within a theoretical multi-dimensional space, so do indeed allow for this sort of flexibility. Even something as basic as an OCEAN classification allows for this (you could possibly argue that humility/arrogance is actually a manifestation of an amalgam of all of the Conscientiousness and Agreeableness and Neuroticism axes)

It does make intuitive sense, I agree. Though to play Devil's Advocate, you could argue: "well it would appeal to someone with my personality, wouldn't it..." :D
 
...When reading K'ehleyr's original post, my immediate instinct was to think "Arrogant" for myself, so I was very amused to see K'ehleyr had actually put me down as "Humble" I must be a better writer than I thought :whistle: ...

My judgements were made only on Misc posts, I've obviously missed you in TNZ ;)

It probably helps that I edit out all the times I write "you imbecile!" in a reply to some threads :p
 
...When reading K'ehleyr's original post, my immediate instinct was to think "Arrogant" for myself, so I was very amused to see K'ehleyr had actually put me down as "Humble" I must be a better writer than I thought :whistle: ...

My judgements were made only on Misc posts, I've obviously missed you in TNZ ;)

It probably helps that I edit out all the times I write "you imbecile!" in a reply to some threads :p

That's not personal is it? :klingon:

I'm not putting you on the arrogant list because you want to be there!

I feel like St. K'Ehleyr at the gates of "Judge Yourself City":lol:
 
My judgements were made only on Misc posts, I've obviously missed you in TNZ ;)

It probably helps that I edit out all the times I write "you imbecile!" in a reply to some threads :p

That's not personal is it? :klingon:

I'm not putting you on the arrogant list because you want to be there!

I feel like St. K'Ehleyr at the gates of "Judge Yourself City":lol:

:lol:

I was going to post a disclaimer that I don't ever direct a shout of "imbecile" to you :D - you're on my "I like them therefore they're probably arrogant" list ;)

I'm not humble, I'm just polite :angel:
 
It probably helps that I edit out all the times I write "you imbecile!" in a reply to some threads :p

That's not personal is it? :klingon:

I'm not putting you on the arrogant list because you want to be there!

I feel like St. K'Ehleyr at the gates of "Judge Yourself City":lol:

:lol:

I was going to post a disclaimer that I don't ever direct a shout of "imbecile" to you :D - you're on my "I like them therefore they're probably arrogant" list ;)

I'm not humble, I'm just polite :angel:

Hmmm... But does raise an interesting question ~ how do you see K'Ehleyr? Humble or arrogant. Open to all.


No offence will be taken by this obviously provocative question :D
 
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Holdfast said:
Most personality classification systems are multiaxial, allowing a person to be mapped to a region within a theoretical multi-dimensional space, so do indeed allow for this sort of flexibility. Even something as basic as an OCEAN classification allows for this (you could possibly argue that humility/arrogance is actually a manifestation of an amalgam of all of the Conscientiousness and Agreeableness and Neuroticism axes)

That's interesting. I was trying to think if these two optimism axes had some dependence on other variables.

People sometimes speak of optimism with a future tense, but I tend to think of it as being what we notice: either aspects we are repelled by, or attracted to. Like if we see the glass as being half empty, we are noticing a negative aspect, or what we are repelled by.

One thing I've noticed is that idealistic people tend to be more acutely aware of negative things in the world. They have to be like this in order to see causes to take heart in, and find ways to improve the world each day. Being aware of more external negatives than positives might mean a lower score in "extraverted optimism" on my scale (as I've defined optimism). So a possible dependency there with idealism.


And since you mentioned OCEAN, I think we should all do that and post our results...
Openness to Experience = 57 ; Conscientiousness = 53 ; Extraversion = 43 ; Agreeableness = 43 ; Natural Reactions = 30.
 
And since you mentioned OCEAN, I think we should all do that and post our results...
Openness to Experience = 57 ; Conscientiousness = 53 ; Extraversion = 43 ; Agreeableness = 43 ; Natural Reactions = 30.

Ooh I can never resist a personality test!

Using this link (first to appear in google) - http://www.outofservice.com/bigfive/

Openness to Experience = 53
Conscientiousness = 46
Extraversion = 2 :lol:
Agreeableness = 10
Natural Reactions (this site calls it Neuroticism) = 95 :lol:
 
according to my last psych profile, I am "confident almost to the point of arrogance."
 
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That's interesting. I was trying to think if these two optimism axes had some dependence on other variables.

I rather suspect they do, and that such an interaction is not just limited to the optimism axis.

My gut instinct is that reducing personality to a multiaxial classification is flawed, and it would be better to consider one's personality - or rather, the complex between personality and behaviour - as being more akin to an ecosystem in a stable equilibrium.

So modifying one small element of any of those may have much wider and potentially deeper effects. These might be helpful or catastrophic. Or it might do nothing at all, if the personality construct can absorb the changes.

I sometimes compare the whole personality/behaviour/mind complex as being like a giant wobbly meccano set. Nudge it lightly and nothing happens. Nudge it harder and it might wobble and then rebalance. Or it might collapse. Or it you nudge the right bit just the right amount, it might result in a sturdier, more stable structure developing. All those metaphorical outcomes have psychological correlates.

To return to, say, the OCEAN classification, I would suggest that yes, all those axes are to some extent interdependent, as OCEAN is a vast oversimplification of what's actually going on. Now, for most people, most of the time, it's not a bad first approximation, so the interdependence doesn't really matter for what it sets out to do.

One thing I've noticed is that idealistic people tend to be more acutely aware of negative things in the world.

I can't think of any existing research into this off the top of my head, but I wouldn't be surprised. I have previously thought that those on the right wing of the political are generally more optimistic than average and those of the left are by nature slightly pessimistic. This is contrary to most accepted wisdom on this issue, but I personally think it holds true, and is actually echoed by your postulated link between idealism and pessimism.

Interestingly, some studies demonstrate an effect of depressive hyperrealism, which shows that most of us, if not depressed, actually look through the world with slightly rose-tinted spectacles rather than assessing probabilities truly accurately. It doesn't take a shrink to guess why this might be a helpful trait, both on a personal and evolutionary level.

And since you mentioned OCEAN, I think we should all do that and post our results...
Openness to Experience = 57 ; Conscientiousness = 53 ; Extraversion = 43 ; Agreeableness = 43 ; Natural Reactions = 30.

Well, go on then: O59, C86, E15, A8, N5

That's just using a random online test, because I can't remember what I got when I last did it properly. I think it was the same sort of ballpark though.

I think the generous interpretation of my scores would be: "generally happy to listen to you and will consider what you say carefully but I really don't suffer fools gladly; not that you'll know that unless I want you to".

I will leave the not-so-generous interpretation to others... ;)
 
according to my last psych profile, I am "confident almost to the point of arrogance."

That's probably ideal. It's kind of like when I have a bad headache, I want to know what amount of ibuprofen would kill me, and back off just slightly from there.
 
And since you mentioned OCEAN, I think we should all do that and post our results...
Openness to Experience = 57 ; Conscientiousness = 53 ; Extraversion = 43 ; Agreeableness = 43 ; Natural Reactions = 30.

Ooh I can never resist a personality test!

Using this link (first to appear in google) - http://www.outofservice.com/bigfive/

Openness to Experience = 53
Conscientiousness = 46
Extraversion = 2 :lol:
Agreeableness = 10
Natural Reactions (this site calls it Neuroticism) = 95 :lol:

As fate would have it (OK, it was more like coincidence) I took this test last night, and got:

O 79
C 73
E 51
A 65
N 68

I see I'm not exactly in great company here so far.... I mean, if it says that I'm the most extrovert so far, what does that say about everyone else?
 
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