Humble or Arrogant ~ How do you see yourself?
- Thread starter K'Ehleyr
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It's not about a lack of courage; some of us merely don't have the desire to make such a list.
I know. It was said in humour. Let me explain it to you...
I noticed K'Ehleyr's initial reservations about her making a list, as well as the fact that she is the only one who did.
I chose to imply (jokingly) that this combination of acting alone and with uncertainty was as an act of courage on K'Ehleyr's part.
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Yeah, know. They have boneless chicken wings, why don't they have boneless babies?
I asked about it at the Chinese restaurant near me, but they just yelled "Get out" and started throwing stuff at me. Then I remembered Chinese food uses dogs, not babies. I heard somewhere that Democrats eat babies, but I couldn't find a Democrat restaurant. There probably aren't very many. I couldn't find Democratia on a map, so it's probably one of those tiny countries like Monaco or Lichtenstein.
I know quite a few people who would disagree with you...
...In honesty I'm probably on the humble side of things...but I can fake arrogance pretty well when I need to.
That's why I put you under humble
I can see through your fake arrogance ~ I'm just glad your opponents can't 
I know. It was said in humour. Let me explain it to you...
I noticed K'Ehleyr's initial reservations about her making a list, as well as the fact that she is the only one who did.
I chose to imply (jokingly) that this combination of acting alone and with uncertainty was as an act of courage on K'Ehleyr's part.
Thank you Jadzia, and yet others are happy to name people they would like to meet, who they think are great etc.
As I did try to explain, I don't think arrogance is a bad trait, and it is especially common in on-line situations.
I don't think that anyone has been upset about my rash judging ~ well apart from the ones that wanted to be on the arrogant list
I should have added 'plain speaking' but that wasn't an option on the original thread. Kestra, can I put you down on that one?
I'd post that picture of the Chinese guy eating the baby, but maybe that's more of a TNZ kind of thing.
When I was seeing a shrink, I told him I was concerned that if I actually developed some self-confidence, I'd go overboard and become arrogant. He actually laughed at that and said, "If you were to mulitply your self-confidence by 1000, you'd still be under zero."
I know what he meant. And I've been successful enough in developing self-confidence that I was taken off welbutrin last December after 3yrs.
I know what he meant. And I've been successful enough in developing self-confidence that I was taken off welbutrin last December after 3yrs.
Not at all. It's funny.
I'd say that I'm humble about 95% of the time, because I know my weaknesses and shortcomings quite well--but I do think a "snarky" side of me slides out whenever I'm confronted with arrogant people who think they're so smart, and yet demonstrate a complete lack of common sense...
I'm not sure. Being humble vs. arrogant may be independent of being optimistic/pessimistic. My brother comes to mind. He's an arrogant pessimist. To him, the world sucks, and he's the only one who smart enough to see how much the world sucks.
Maybe there are two different kinds of pessimism?
As a personality trait, we could call it something like "introverted pessimism", that would be a pessimistic perspective of ones own abilities, and possibly shows a greater correlation with humbleness. Your brother would have a converse personality trait, "extraverted pessimism", that takes a hypercritical view of others abilities.
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In my (definitively not humble) opinion, is not that I see the glass in terms of half-full or half-empty, just that my glass is made of awesome and WIN, thus rendering the content and its current level rather irrelevant.
I don't really see myself in terms that suggest a binary in that way, I guess. Am I humble or arrogant? Yes and no to both, I guess. I have almost zero self confidence according to pretty much everyone I know, yet I'm constantly defending unpopular and/or dissidant viewpoints on most subjects and asserting that my way is better than the accepted norm or the current way, even in the face of collective dismissal. I have a natural desire to subordinate and follow rather than lead, yet I naturally resist trends and collective thinking/actions all the time. I often think I have the potential to lead- IE, I'm right and people should agree- but when people in groups actually show signs of following my lead I run away, terrified of being a leader. I tend to bow my head a lot, assume non-threatening and I guess "humble" body language, and I apologise all over the place (and people I know in the community always seem to appreciate it and like me for it- I assume because I don't present a "challenge" so we can get on with stuff rather than having a face-off). Yet I can also be proud and "stand-offish" in my own way. I both long for authority and leadership and reject attempts at control and order, and of ideological domination over me at every step. I have such low self-esteem I have to be reminded constantly that I am not a) completely worthless and b) a bad person, yet I also tend to consider myself considerably more "aware" than most anyone, and I have great faith in my own mind and soul rather than faith in others. I have a powerful "pack hierarchy" instinct yet am one of the most independantly-minded people I know.
So a lot of it is paradoxical, I guess. I suppose people are too complex to be summed up as either "humble" or "arrogant".
So a lot of it is paradoxical, I guess. I suppose people are too complex to be summed up as either "humble" or "arrogant".
i am a badass.
I was going to say I'm humble, but then I realized it'd be terribly arrogant of me to do so. Another reason to think I must be arrogant is because I can't stand arrogant people, and you know how the old saying goes that what bothers us the most about other people is the thing we ourselves are most guilty of! Another good reason to think I must be arrogant, is that I've only talked about myself so far, so allow me to remedy that.
I find it intresting that several people claiming both arrogance and humility, have posted that they are always willing to concede that they are wrong when presented with proof to that effect? The problem with such a stance is that they fail to realize that "proof" is in the eye of the beholder, and like another old saying goes, "For those willing to believe, no proof is necessary, and for those willing to disbelieve, no proof is ever enough"! The irony is that someone convinced they are right will never concede that they are wrong, so anyone proud of their arrogance has never actually experianced a time when they admitted that they were wrong! I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
I find it intresting that several people claiming both arrogance and humility, have posted that they are always willing to concede that they are wrong when presented with proof to that effect? The problem with such a stance is that they fail to realize that "proof" is in the eye of the beholder, and like another old saying goes, "For those willing to believe, no proof is necessary, and for those willing to disbelieve, no proof is ever enough"! The irony is that someone convinced they are right will never concede that they are wrong, so anyone proud of their arrogance has never actually experianced a time when they admitted that they were wrong! I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
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I already conceded it is me that will always be the ultimate judge whether a proof is solid enough to change my position on a subject. Obviously, as an individual, that underlying assumption is rather inescapable.I find it intresting that several people claiming both arrogance and humility, have posted that they are always willing to concede that they are wrong when presented with proof to that effect? The problem with such a stance is that they fail to realize that "proof" is in the eye of the beholder, and like another old saying goes, "For those willing to believe, no proof is necessary, and for those willing to disbelieve, no proof is ever enough"! The irony is that someone convinced they are right will never concede that they are wrong, so anyone proud of their arrogance has never actually experianced a time when they admitted that they were wrong! I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
That said, I disagree with your assessment that it can't happen. It happened to me, more than once, sometimes on this very board. In fact, as a scientist, I pride myself on my ability to judge evidences fairly and squarely, with as little bias as possible. Not everything as to be a matter of dogmatic posturing: smart people (like myself
) realize the need for admitting they are wrong sometimes, if nothing else because they will look incredibly stupid refusing to acknowledge overwhelming evidences of the contrary.Refusing to accept the possibility of being wrong is neither arrogant or humble: it's just foolish.
This is really cool. It definitely has face validity. Jadzia, I think you should consider publishing it!.