Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours?

[Holder]

1. I thought the theme song to enterprise was perfect for the setting and essence of the show. Even though I do not care for that form of music...I still liked it in this setting.

2. I liked Enterprise and do not feel it violated cannon anymore than any other previous star trek, including TOS.

3. I liked Voyager. I thought many of the episodes were very imaginative. Voyager took risks and in my opinion it usually paid off.

4. For years, Star Trek V was my favorite. I felt it captured the Kirk, Spock, Bones relationship the best. It never bothered me that Spock had a half brother. A lot of peeps I know do not know I have a half brother and half sister 3 states away...that I have only seen twice in my whole life....I am 35.

5. Star Trek IV is one of my least fav movies. Although I do REALLY like to say "Double dumb ass on you!"

6. Picard is not out of character in the next gen movies.

Some of these have been said, but that does not make them any less true for me.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Firstly,there is a difference between Riker's killing of Yuta and Worf's killing of Duras(although granted, the Riker sequence was incredibly badly thought out).One action was to stop a murder the other was hot-blooded revenge.Even disregarding a Starfleet code of conduct the "Klingon ship/Klingon rules"argument is pretty weak.Could Bashir murder somebody on Bajor and claim "Bajoran territory/Bajoran rules?

No, because Bashir isn't Bajoran. Kira, on the other hand, is. So if she did that, she could have a case. That's why Worf got away with killing Duras. It was on a Klingon ship, carried out under Klingon law and tradition, and both parties were Klingons. Therefore Starfleet has absolutely no jurisdiction in that matter. I'm not sure Picard even had the right to reprimand Worf.

 

[FredH]

I think Joe Haldeman's Trek novel Planet of Judgment is a much stronger book than his signature sf novel The Forever War.

 

[Zameaze]

I have a truly unpopular opinion--at the end of the Voyager series, I wanted Seven and Kim to end up together. Seven and almost anybody would have been better than Seven and Chakotay. She could have done so much better.

 

[flandry84]

That's why Worf got away with killing Duras. It was on a Klingon ship, carried out under Klingon law and tradition, and both parties were Klingons. Therefore Starfleet has absolutely no jurisdiction in that matter. I'm not sure Picard even had the right to reprimand Worf.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to get stuck on this so these are my final points.
Worf left his post and while wearing a Starfleet uniform transported across to a Klingon vessel where he challenged a Klingon national to a duel and subsequently killed him.If Picard had no problem with this why did he dispatch Riker and some goldshirts to stop it?
And if as you say the Klingons didn't see anything wrong either,well,the Klingons aren't exactly where I would be drawing moral guidance from.
Please let's leave it there,my original opinion hasn't changed.I still despise Worf.

 

[greenguy]

First Contact was baller and I fell asleep twice during TWOK.

I find the episodes Timeless, All Good Things..., and The Visitor to be the most overrated episodes of their respective series. Meanwhile, I enjoyed Cathexis and Cost of Living.

The Maquis are generally annoying and I wanted them the die and/or somehow leave the show. Same with all Bajorans.

I think Sisko is the weakest captain, perhaps weaker than Archer and even Janeway.

I don't consider the Defiant to be a "real" starship.

I liked it when Julian was dating Leeta.

Jadzia was a great character but Terry Farrell is a bad actress with some of the worst delivery ever. It took me a solid 20-30 episodes of DS9 to not desperately hate Jadzia to the point where I staunchly preferred Ezri.

 

[DevilEyes]

I have a truly unpopular opinion--at the end of the Voyager series, I wanted Seven and Kim to end up together. Seven and almost anybody would have been better than Seven and Chakotay. She could have done so much better.

I don't think that is an unpopular opinion. I don't know how many people would want Seven/Harry specifically, but I think that most people think that Seven/anyone >>>>> Seven/Chakotay. It came out of the left field and they had zero chemistry.

Well, maybe not Neelix. But anyone else.

I just remember another unpopular (?) opinion of mine... or at least controversial: The idea of Federation having a "moneyless economy" makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Gagarin]

Mr. Rogers could have played Robert April.

 

[Anwar]

Leslie Neilsen should have played Robert April if they ever showed him. As a homage to "Forbidden Planet" and Neilsen being Kirk's "predecessor".

 

[Guardian Bob]

- STV had the best Kirk/Bones/Spock moments.
- Love Enterprise
- DS9 had good ideas, but some of the cast held it back.
- Wished Janeway died bringing Voyager home. Come on, its poetic.
- Agree Enterprise-D looks like an unbalanced bubble.

I'll think of more, but should get back to homework.

 

[Cheapjack]

NCC 1701 D bridge does not look like a hotel lounge and is the way most command centres of the future will look, as we become less militaristic.

 

[Tiberius]

I just remember another unpopular (?) opinion of mine... or at least controversial: The idea of Federation having a "moneyless economy" makes absolutely no sense.

Once you have nearly limitless supplies of energy and replicators, the concept of money does have less meaning. I mean, the only reason we have money today is because we have limited supplies of things. Once that is gone, why need money?

 

[DevilEyes]

I just remember another unpopular (?) opinion of mine... or at least controversial: The idea of Federation having a "moneyless economy" makes absolutely no sense.

Once you have nearly limitless supplies of energy and replicators, the concept of money does have less meaning. I mean, the only reason we have money today is because we have limited supplies of things. Once that is gone, why need money?

Your premise is flawed. It is impossible to have a limitless or nearly limitless (what does that mean, anyway?) supply of energy or goods. It is an absurd idea. 1) Even if replicators were able to produce everything, they need energy and matter to work with. 2) Energy sure as hell isn't in limitless supply. 3) There are plenty of things replicators cannot reproduce, even in theory. 4) Even for things that can be replicated, it is highly probable that 'real' stuff would be more sought after and considered more valuable. Not to derail the thread, I refer you to : http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=3812477#post3812477

 

[Finn]

First Contact was baller and I fell asleep twice during TWOK.

Not exactly unpopular opinion judging from many of the earlier posts

I find the episodes Timeless,
.

I was under the impression many weren't very fond of this one.

 

[Zameaze]

I have a truly unpopular opinion--at the end of the Voyager series, I wanted Seven and Kim to end up together. Seven and almost anybody would have been better than Seven and Chakotay. She could have done so much better.

I don't think that is an unpopular opinion.

Well not the "Seven and almost anybody else" as unpopular, just the Seven/Harry part.

Well, maybe not Neelix. But anyone else.

No, I'd even prefer Seven/Neelix to Seven/Chakotay. Really.

I just remember another unpopular (?) opinion of mine... or at least controversial: The idea of Federation having a "moneyless economy" makes absolutely no sense.

Ah, common ground.

 

[Graywand2]

I agree. The idea of a moneyless economy is stupid and idiotic.

 

[Gagarin]

Q should have been the focus of the TNG movies.

The TOS-movie team should handled the TNG movies (Harve should have been brought back, working with Nimoy and Meyer).

The "red-flap" Fletcher uniforms were the best Starfleet uniform design.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Q should have been the focus of the TNG movies.

The TOS-movie team should handled the TNG movies (Harve should have been brought back, working with Nimoy and Meyer).

The "red-flap" Fletcher uniforms were the best Starfleet uniform design.

i actually like these opinions...

Rob

 

[Cheapjack]

I just remember another unpopular (?) opinion of mine... or at least controversial: The idea of Federation having a "moneyless economy" makes absolutely no sense.

Once you have nearly limitless supplies of energy and replicators, the concept of money does have less meaning. I mean, the only reason we have money today is because we have limited supplies of things. Once that is gone, why need money?

Your premise is flawed. It is impossible to have a limitless or nearly limitless (what does that mean, anyway?) supply of energy or goods. It is an absurd idea. 1) Even if replicators were able to produce everything, they need energy and matter to work with. 2) Energy sure as hell isn't in limitless supply. 3) There are plenty of things replicators cannot reproduce, even in theory. 4) Even for things that can be replicated, it is highly probable that 'real' stuff would be more sought after and considered more valuable. Not to derail the thread, I refer you to : http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=3812477#post3812477

You just HATE the idea that things can be so cheap, that everyone can have them, don' t you? You'd be really lost in the ST universe.

 

[DevilEyes]

You just HATE the idea that things can be so cheap, that everyone can have them, don' t you? You'd be really lost in the ST universe.

I'm really trying to figure out why I should hate something that would suit me so perfectly? If that universe you talk about existed, I'd love to be there, I wouldn't have to worry about money, I could get anything I want, and I'd go travelling around the Earth and galaxy for free all the time, accompanied by my friends Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.

But the problem is, Star Trek is supposed to be Science Fiction, not a fairy tale.

And as for the Federation being moneyless according to the shows, I'm sorry, but there's at least as much evidence, if not more, for the existence of money in the Federation, then there is for the "moneyless economy" (and BTW most of the evidence for the latter comes from character's statements rather than what we see on screen).

Using the analysis on this website:

For:

• Kirk asks Spock, "Do you know how much Starfleet has invested in you?". Spock starts to reply, "Twenty-two thousand, two hun ..." (TOS: "The Apple").
• Cyrano Jones negotiates the price of the Tribbles with the bartender on a Federation space station. The bartender is expected to pay with credits (TOS: "The Trouble with Tribbles").
• McCoy negotiates with an alien about a transfer to Genesis, and he says he would have enough money for that ("Star Trek III").
• Scotty says that he is going to buy a boat ("Star Trek VI").
• Beverly Crusher buys a roll of cloth, and has her account on the Enterprise billed (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint").
• Four Starfleet starships rally at a planet called Dytallix B, which is said to be owned by the Dytallix Mining Corporation. Dytallix is apparently in Federation space (TNG: "Conspiracy").
• The Federation bids a sum of 1,500,000 Federation credits for the Barzan Wormhole (TNG: "The Price", offer depicted in STTNG: The Continuing Mission).
• It becomes obvious that Dr. Apgar's reason for developing the Krieger wave generator was to sell it to the highest bidder (TNG: "A Matter of Perspective").
• Federation officers have to and are able to pay for drinks and for holosuite usage in Quark's bar (DS9).
• Quark sells his damaged shuttle to a scrapyard, obviously in the Sol system (DS9: "Little Green Men").
• Joseph Sisko is maintaining a restaurant in New Orleans, which is open every evening. Would he be at other people's service just for fun? (DS9: "Homefront", "Image in the Sand").
• Yanas Tigan owns a mining company on New Sydney. Although the planet may not be under Federation jurisdiction, Trill is clearly supposed to be a Federation member (DS9: "Prodigal Daughter").
• Tuvok, together with Janeway, buys a meditation lamp from a Vulcan master who doubles the price when he notices their Starfleet insignia (VOY: "The Gift").

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Federation credits? What is that but money by another name?

Against:

• Kirk tells Spock about 20th century Earth: "They're still using money. We need to get some." In the same movie, when Kirk is unable to pay in the restaurant, Gillian asks sarcastically, "Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century.", and Kirk tells her "Well, we don't." ("Star Trek IV")
• Picard tries to explain to Ralph Offenhouse from the 20th century that there would be no need for his law firm any longer: "A lot has changed in three hundred years. People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of 'things'. We have eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions." (TNG: "The Neutral Zone")
• When she asks how much the ship has cost, Picard tells Lily: "The economics of the future is somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century... The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity." ("Star Trek: First Contact")
• When Nog suggests that Jake should bid for a baseball card in an auction, Jake says: "I'm human, I don't have any money." Nog replies: "It's not my fault that your species decided to abandon currency-based economics in favor of some philosophy of self-enhancement." Jake: "Hey, watch it. There's nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity." (DS9: "In the Cards")
• Jake talks to Quark about publishing a book on his life on the occupied station with the Federation News Service. Quark asks, "And they are not paying you?", which Jake confirms (DS9: "You Are Cordially Invited").
• Janeway is visibly not accustomed to using money on the Mari marketplace. She may be just unsure about the value of the alien currency though (VOY: "Random Thoughts").
• Paris says about the significance of Fort Knox: "Well, uh, when the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum." (VOY: "Dark Frontier")