List of Trek Lit Alternate Universes

[Cybersnark]

For the moment, at least, I count the "Prime" and "Pocket Books" timelines as separate. There appears to be a divergence point after Nemesis: One timeline leads to "Destiny," and the other leads to "Countdown" (and from there to STO).

IOW, "Spock Prime" explicitly comes from the STO timeline --a timeline in which

Spoiler: "Star Trek: Countdown"

Data has resurrected, Picard has become ambassador to Vulcan, and Borg technology continues to exist.

 

[Paris]

For the moment, at least, I count the "Prime" and "Pocket Books" timelines as separate. There appears to be a divergence point after Nemesis: One timeline leads to "Destiny," and the other leads to "Countdown" (and from there to STO).

IOW, "Spock Prime" explicitly comes from the STO timeline --a timeline in which

Spoiler: "Star Trek: Countdown"

Data has resurrected, Picard has become ambassador to Vulcan, and Borg technology continues to exist.

I like this explanation . It means Romulus never need to go byebye in the regular novel continuity...

 

[Sci]

For the moment, at least, I count the "Prime" and "Pocket Books" timelines as separate. There appears to be a divergence point after Nemesis: One timeline leads to "Destiny," and the other leads to "Countdown" (and from there to STO).

IOW, "Spock Prime" explicitly comes from the STO timeline --a timeline in which

Spoiler: "Star Trek: Countdown"

Data has resurrected, Picard has become ambassador to Vulcan, and Borg technology continues to exist.

But Star Trek Online and Countdown are just as non-canonical as the novels; neither one gets to claim they're the "true" Prime Timeline.

 

[Darth Duck]

For the moment, at least, I count the "Prime" and "Pocket Books" timelines as separate. There appears to be a divergence point after Nemesis: One timeline leads to "Destiny," and the other leads to "Countdown" (and from there to STO).

IOW, "Spock Prime" explicitly comes from the STO timeline --a timeline in which

Spoiler: "Star Trek: Countdown"

Data has resurrected, Picard has become ambassador to Vulcan, and Borg technology continues to exist.

I like this explanation . It means Romulus never need to go byebye in the regular novel continuity...

Except that it happened on screen and is canon, so Romulus has to go bye-bye.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Other than a few little things which are no bigger than regular TrekLit goofs (and Borg tech on the Narada doesn't count, since it's reverse-engineered), there is, as yet, nothing to say Countdown isn't the future of the novels.
Considering Bad Robot are getting a little jittery about continuity and don't want the post-STXI novels contradicting STXII, they may even decide the future Prime novels have to comform to Countdown, which was plotted by the writers of the movie, as part of some 'unified expanded universe'. Or maybe not.

 

[captcalhoun]

if Romulus ever goes bye-bye because of the Hobus Supernova, i will stop reading 24C Trek lit.

 

[Sci]

if Romulus ever goes bye-bye because of the Hobus Supernova, i will stop reading 24C Trek lit.

Romulus will go bye-bye because of the Hobus supernova. It's a canonical fact, and Star Trek novels have to stay consistent with the canon.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Until proven otherwise, I believe the STO and Abramsuniverse is one and the same.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^What, are you trying to say that STO is 200 years after nuKirk and co?
Then why is Vulcan there??

 

[Christopher]

For the moment, at least, I count the "Prime" and "Pocket Books" timelines as separate. There appears to be a divergence point after Nemesis: One timeline leads to "Destiny," and the other leads to "Countdown" (and from there to STO).

But by that logic, either universe could equally well be called Prime.

Strictly speaking, the Prime universe is what's onscreen. The books and the comics/game have separate interpretations of what happens beyond the screen, neither of which is any more authoritative than the other.

I like this explanation . It means Romulus never need to go byebye in the regular novel continuity...

Doesn't work that way. Even aside from the fact that the novels are obliged to remain consistent with what's onscreen, there's also the in-universe physics of it. If the star was heading for an explosion in one timeline, it'd be heading for it in the other timeline as well. These things aren't random. A supernova is the end of a star's entire life cycle, lasting tens or hundreds of millions of years. If the star was just a decade or so from blowing up when the timelines diverged, it's sure to blow up at essentially the same time in both timelines.

Until proven otherwise, I believe the STO and Abramsuniverse is one and the same.

Impossible for many reasons. The most obvious one being that there's a time-travel mission in STO in which the player travels back in time to the 23rd century and encounters the TV version of the Enterprise.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Until proven otherwise, I believe the STO and Abramsuniverse is one and the same.

Impossible for many reasons. The most obvious one being that there's a time-travel mission in STO in which the player travels back in time to the 23rd century and encounters the TV version of the Enterprise.

Actually given the scenarios in both Abramsuniverse and the STO, it appears to be the same.

Abramsuniverse isn't fully fleshed out either. But one causes the other, if I am to be correct.

Nero goes back in time due to the Horus supernova destroying all of Romulus, IIRC.

 

[David cgc]

I see the confusion. You're taking "the Abramsverse" as everything that happened in the new movie, whereas everyone else is talking about the Abramsverse as just the alternate timeline, with the events in the movie that Spock Prime and Nero experienced in the 24th century as being part of the Prime Universe, despite taking place in a movie made by J.J. Abrams.

See? This is why we really should stick with "the Alternate Timeline" or something.

 

[Christopher]

^I've become partial to "New Universe," but it hasn't caught on enough for me to expect people to understand the reference if I use it in a thread.

But you're right. The 2387 events established in Abrams' film are part of the canonical Prime timeline, along with all the prior TV series and films. The term "Abramsverse" refers only to the timeline that branched off upon Nero's arrival in 2233.

 

[DevilEyes]

I like this explanation . It means Romulus never need to go byebye in the regular novel continuity...

Doesn't work that way. Even aside from the fact that the novels are obliged to remain consistent with what's onscreen, there's also the in-universe physics of it. If the star was heading for an explosion in one timeline, it'd be heading for it in the other timeline as well. These things aren't random. A supernova is the end of a star's entire life cycle, lasting tens or hundreds of millions of years. If the star was just a decade or so from blowing up when the timelines diverged, it's sure to blow up at essentially the same time in both timelines.

The star would go supernova in every timeline, but wouldn't it be possible to have Spock or someone else stop it in time to save Romulus, thus creating yet another alternate timeline in which Romulus does not go bye bye in 2387?

With so many alternate timelines in Trek Lit, you could have one continuity where Romulus is destroyed and another where it is saved.

 

[F. King Daniel]

But most of these timelines aren't meant to be alternate. They are all based on the canon material and each internally is supposed to be "the" timeline. It's just us declaring otherwise in order to reconcile the lot of them as best we can.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Other than a few little things which are no bigger than regular TrekLit goofs (and Borg tech on the Narada doesn't count, since it's reverse-engineered), there is, as yet, nothing to say Countdown isn't the future of the novels.
Considering Bad Robot are getting a little jittery about continuity and don't want the post-STXI novels contradicting STXII, they may even decide the future Prime novels have to comform to Countdown, which was plotted by the writers of the movie, as part of some 'unified expanded universe'. Or maybe not.

Novels don't have to respect Comics also

Spoiler: Countdown/TNG relaunch

B4 has shown no signs of turning into Data and Picard turned down being an admiral to stay on the Enterprise do you really see leaving the Enterprise for what is probably a MINOR Ambassadorship, oh and vulcan doesn't have a Praetor

if Romulus ever goes bye-bye because of the Hobus Supernova, i will stop reading 24C Trek lit.

Romulus will go bye-bye because of the Hobus supernova. It's a canonical fact, and Star Trek novels have to stay consistent with the canon.

Yes that is true though if the Imperial Romulan State is still around then the destruction of Romulus might not be to bad and the IRS could just absorb what is left of the Romulan Star Empire.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Novels and comics don't have to adhere to each other *yet*. I can't see the cancellation of the nuTrek novels, and the lack of nuTrek comics as being a coincidence.

The 'praetor' thing could easily be explained away as a goof (the wrong title used), or maybe Vulcan's in for a change in the next few years?

B4? A lot can happen in 7 years.
Remember Picard was a former ambassador in the "All Good Things..." future.

Reconciling TrekLit and Countdown wouldn't be impossible.

...at least no worse than the DC comics pre-STIII patch-job.

But I'm just speculating.

 

[DevilEyes]

But most of these timelines aren't meant to be alternate. They are all based on the canon material and each internally is supposed to be "the" timeline. It's just us declaring otherwise in order to reconcile the lot of them as best we can.

Some of them are meant to be alternate (Myriad Universes, Mirror Universe). And technically, there is no "the" timeline, there are all equal, there's just the timeline that the shows/movies/novels choose to focus on. Of course, the editors will prefer to have one main continuity that most of the works will focus on, just like most of the episodes of TV shows do, but there's always room for works that explore different timelines, like Myriad Universe stories, or for works that focus on more than one timeline/universe. You could write novels and stories that explore the consequences of the destruction of Romulus, but you could also subsequently write novels or stories that explores how differently the events will unfold if the Romulus is saved in 2387, or novels and stories that features characters and events from both timelines and compare the differences.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^I was refering to stuff like Destiny, Cruicible and Star Trek Online, all of which are meant to be prime-Trek, yet can't co-exist.

 

[ATimson]

I like this explanation . It means Romulus never need to go byebye in the regular novel continuity...

Doesn't work that way. Even aside from the fact that the novels are obliged to remain consistent with what's onscreen, there's also the in-universe physics of it. If the star was heading for an explosion in one timeline, it'd be heading for it in the other timeline as well.

Only if the explosion was natural.

Spoiler: The Needs of the Many

I'm only partway through, so this may be debunked later, but it seems that in the STO timeline the Hobus explosion was caused by Sela and some ill-conceived weapons testing.