Yes. Yes it was. Though that's not saying much...
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Wow. Seriously? Enterprise is better than Voyager?
Uh... if you said T'Pol was a ripoff from Spock, that would make more sense, but how was T'Pol a rip off of Seven of Nine? They aren't the same species, they don't have the same backstory or personality. She's a ripoff because she wore a catsuit? Then I guess every male who took off his shirt was a ripoff from Kirk?Why? How did Seven's catsuit make sense?
Seven and T'Pol Comparisons:
1. Both wore similar sex suit outfits. Note: Sex suits is different than wearing a mini skirt. A mini skirt is considered normal apparel within our society. Cat suits are not normal apparel within our world, so they stand out and make a very specific impression or statement.
2. Both were voices of logic or reason with a vast array of knowledge under their belts.
3. Both characters looked less attractive before they joined their respective ships.
4. Both had huge breasts and finely shaped bosoms.
5. Both were a cheap attempt at boosting the ratings.
6. Both characters talked in that logical non emotional way.
7. Both characters had a personal (but professional) relationship with the Captains of their ships.
8. Although, they became a part of the family on board the ships they were serving, both characters originally were considered outcasts or extremely different. In other words, within various story lines these two characters were plot devices for creating a feeling of being misunderstood or being different.
9. Both characters were violated in some fashion (T'Pol was mentally raped, and Seven was taken over by the Borg).
10. Both characters were put within the spotlight of their shows.
Except for the endless supply of torpedoes, the lack of any damage to the ship, endless supply of energy that allowed them to run holodeck all day long,
That is very minor. They could have very well could have traded for supplies for the necessary energy requirements and converted or modified it to keep the ship fully armed and it's crew relaxed.
Just because we didn't see it didn't mean it didn't happen.
and the fact that they seemed to care more about investigating anomalies and fooling around on the holodeck than about going home.
What's Starfleet's mission and or Gene Roddenberry's philosophy? To explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and civilizations. To boldly go where no one has gone before.
Sure, you might say that anomalies don't fall under this jurisdiction. But they are out to investigate not only to keep to Starfleet standards, but to squeeze every possible chance in getting home. Even if it is an anomaly that could potentially lead them into getting to Earth.
As for the Holodeck adventures: There is going to be a lot of time out in space to kill when traveling back home. If they didn't relieve stress in some way the crew would seriously lose their efficiency and or sanity on board the ship at some point.
Not to mention that they happened to run into way too many familiar races and humanoid aliens in the Delta quadrant.
Actually it makes more sense. They all come from a closer related gene pool.
Apart from the utter lack of internal continuity and the fact that it kept contradicting its own previous episodes?
The lack of internal continuity on "Voyager" is nowhere near the level of the questionable canon (or overall Star Trek continuity) that was put into question on "Enterprise". In my book, your comparing things that are minor versus things that are really important or a big deal.
Enterprise had a decent cast of actors that felt real, even though the writing for their characters was sometimes inconsistent, but at least they had some character development (apart from Mayweather). Voyager had a decent cast of actors that didn't feel real because the writing for some of their characters was always inconsistent, while others had no character development at all.
I disagree. Enterprise's cast was just awful. And I am not the only one that thinks that. I would rather watch the crew of Voyager's versus Enterprise any given day of the week.
As for character development: No way. There was actual relationships that were formed among the crew on Voyager. On Enterprise no body hung out with one another really. Sure they ate together in the same room. But their was no chemistry. Sure Trip and T'Pol gave themselves back rubs. But it felt more like Trip was with a Vulcan prostitute than he was with an actual person he cared for.
I mean, it is pretty bad when an actress from the show actually complains about how her character was handled. In fact, as I recall, a number of the cast complained about how their characters were mishandled in the final episode even.
Personally, the only worthwhile relationship I seen on Enterprise was between Archer and his dog.
So? TOS lasted only 3 seasons and was canceled. ENT had poor first 2 seasons but excellent last 2 seasons and might have become great if it had been given the chance for 7 seasons.
No, there is a difference. TOS was trying to become a successful series within an era when western TV shows was the big thing. ENT failed to deliver after a healthy history of successful series.
VOY had its chance and wasted it, being average during its entire run, and it can be blamed for the franchise burnout that resulted in the audience having less patience with ENT than they did with the previous 3 shows.
As Sisko would say, "That's a
circular argument and you know it!"
This says diddly-squat about the quality of the show. Statistics say that DS9 had major numbers drop, and it means diddly-squat for the quality of the show.
The numbers for Deep Space Nine overall were good.
And they certainly didn't drop or plummet like they did on Enterprise.
ENT had camaraderie, connections and chemistry among the crew - Trip and Reed,
They were co-workers (that were forced to work together) at best. In reality, if they met in the real world they would never would have hung out with one another.
They talked to each other during dinners and when drinking on occasion. But there was no real special connection between them. It just seemed liked they shared words with one another and never really gotten to know or care for each other.
I didn't see any special banter or interaction even nowhere close to the relationship that Kirk and Spock had.
What the?
T'Pol and Trip (though the writers almost screwed it up completely),
They felt like two opinionated strangers in a room who either had sexual tension or actual sex with one another.
Phlox had a relationship more with his bat than he did with the crew.
Voyager had some decent relationships, but the writers eventually did manage to screw them all up, with the exception of Tom/B'Elanna.
Screwed it up, how?
But you forget to mention all the other, good story arcs - the Xindi,
So villains that remind me of the lizards from Galaxy Quest and the Dominion War is a good thing? Villains that we never heard of before take the center stage in an event that we never heard of before? Villains that make no real connection to the other previous Star Trek shows?
Yeah, sure. The Xindi were a great idea.
*Shakes head*
The MACOs were fun (when I first seen them). But they quickly lost their glamour in light of a universe that doesn't make any normal sense. Besides, there was no attempt at tying these MACOs to the other series either.
the Vulcan trilogy in season 4,
Any Vulcan related episodes on Enterprise made me dislike the Vulcans.
The Andorians were sort of okay in the Andorian Incident. But they didn't seem to offer anything in me enjoying the Andorians any better.
VOY made a joke out of the Borg. And as for "cool" alien cultures... um... OK. The only ones who were interesting and cool were the Vidiians and the Species 8472, possibly the Hirogen in the very beginning; the Vidiians were in the show for a short time, the 8472 were eventually ruined after just a few appearances, and the Hirogen were made into a joke even sooner after their first appearance.
I like the Borg episodes on Voyager, more so than I did on TNG. As for the other alien races I mentioned. The point is that there are alien races that made an impression upon me in some way (despite how they were handled in specific episodes). On Enterprise I can't think of one episode off the top of my head that made me think of a recurring alien race that I liked.
True. And it was one of the worst episodes because it went completely against everything that had happened on ENT before, and wasn't even about ENT... it was a TNG episode.
If it was a TNG episode, then it failed as a TNG episode, too.
However, in reality it is actually an ENT episode. It says so right on the DVD.
Enterprise had a cast of characters that I actually had a genuine interest in. Voyager had a cast a characters I didn't give a spit about.
Well, I guess we should just agree to disagree then. It looks like we found yet again another issue that we don't see eye to eye on.
Sorry.
It happened to be a hologram, anyway ...
VOY made a joke out of the Borg. And as for "cool" alien cultures... um... OK. The only ones who were interesting and cool were the Vidiians and the Species 8472, possibly the Hirogen in the very beginning; the Vidiians were in the show for a short time, the 8472 were eventually ruined after just a few appearances, and the Hirogen were made into a joke even sooner after their first appearance.
