So, after 6x09 what don't we know?

[LitmusDragon]

I don't recall him saying he used to be a man like everyone else. He said he had a mother, but then ... so do ants.

He told Sayid, "I was a man, just like you."

Sayid responded, "I find that hard to believe".

I'm paraphrasing, but this exchange did take place.

I'm not %100 sold on it either- how does one go from a man to being whatever smokey is now? But he did say he was a man once, though.

 

[label]

Even if he were once a man, we don't know what his role is now, nor why he kills some people yet leaves others alive

Your right. We don't know what the rules he must abide by are for killing people, we just know that they eist. The boy (jacob??) tells him he "can't kill" someone so we know there are limits.

And you're also right that in the end we may find out that the death he brings was justified.

However, given all the facts we have to go up to this point, his actions certainly appear to be evil and driven out of self-interest.

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

I don't know if the 'island is a cork' is much of an answer, I mean an island is just an island, a body of water in the middle of the ocean. You need further explanation about the island itself to consider that a real answer I think.

Why couldn't he just hop on all the helicopters or subs that have come and gone? It's sort of like saying, hey Scranton Pennsylvania is a prison for evil, and just leaving it at that. Um, HOW is that town a prison, it's just a town.

What's with the donkey wheel? Who put that there? How does it work?

Who are Jacob and the Man in Black? Are they just supernatural stand-ins for god and the devil? I could maybe buy that as an answer that needs no further elaboration. But then who's the kid Smokey saw?

What DOES need a little elaboration is the mechanical "science-y" nature of Smokey. The way it scans people's brains, the electronic churning cranking sounds. I suspect this won't be answered because they plotted out the series during the S1-2 haitus, after introducing Smokey, so I imagine in S2 they were retrofitting their new idea with what they put onscreen in Exodus.

(ironically, the answer that nobody actually wants, explains it all nicely, they're aliens, the island is a spaceship, it has its own power source and can move between space and time, etc etc. I'm not saying I want to see this I'm over the whole aliens thing, but i just think its funny the most reviled theory explains everything)

All that stuff with some of the O6 being white-flashed back to 77, why were they flashed? What was the purpose? I'm uncomfortable with the idea that the island just picked those specific people and flashed them back, without there being a logical reason. That was all very "hand-wavey" by the writers, and the sort of thing that gives genre writers a bad name. There needs to be a concrete reason given why that all happened.

 

[Jenee]

Even if he were once a man, we don't know what his role is now, nor why he kills some people yet leaves others alive

Your right. We don't know what the rules he must abide by are for killing people, we just know that they eist. The boy (jacob??) tells him he "can't kill" someone so we know there are limits.

And you're also right that in the end we may find out that the death he brings was justified.

However, given all the facts we have to go up to this point, his actions certainly appear to be evil and driven out of self-interest.

I hate to say it, but it does look as tho they are going with the obvious - good vs evil. I was hoping they wouldn't, but ...

 

[sidious618]

I'm suspicious that the nuke might be a bit of misdirection. If you look way back at the end of S2, we have a similar explosion with no real consequences (well, it caused the crash, no new consequences I guess I should say).

The Swan explosion moved the Island and thus allowed those two guys in Antarctica to see it.

 

[label]

I don't know if the 'island is a cork' is much of an answer, I mean an island is just an island, a body of water in the middle of the ocean. You need further explanation about the island itself to consider that a real answer I think.

We may not get more than "the presence of the island keeps evil at bay and if the MIB leaves, the island will stop existing".

Why couldn't he just hop on all the helicopters or subs that have come and gone?

He can't leave while Jacob/whomever is the Guardian is alive. That was made pretty clear in last nights episode.

So far, the major questions we have left are :

- What is the true nature of Jacob and MIB and their struggle/power/rules?
- How did this all begin?
- Who's the kid MIB/Sawyer saw?
- What exactly is the Smoke Monster? (without getting so detailed that it looses it's coolness ala Phantom Menace/The Force)
- Why were some people pulled into the same time zone that Sawyer and the others were pulled into while others remained in the present?
- What would really happen if MIB got off the island?
- What is Widmore's purpose on the island?

 

[Mallet]

If Christian is the MIB in "disguise" then the MIB can already leave the Island when he wants, since Christian has been seen off Island. So, if that is the case, then the MIB's plan "to escape the Island" is actually more of a metaphor then actually leaving the island.

I personally think all of the "Ghosts" have nothing to do with the MIB or Jacob. They are part of what makes the Island special. They can appear there because the Island, as a cork, is so close to the "afterlife" and the chaos, etc...

 

[label]

I hate to say it, but it does look as tho they are going with the obvious - good vs evil. I was hoping they wouldn't, but ...

Who knows. This is Lost, we might find out that Jacob was just as bad as Smokey and Jack decides to off them both. They'd be somewhat hard pressed to make Smokey somehow a "Good" guy at this point, but we really don't know enough about Jacob's motivations or why he keeps Smokey on the island against his will to really qualify Jacob as good or bad.

As much as I think I've got figured out, it won't surprise me in the least if some or many of conclusions are off and they went a completely different direction.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Right. I'm not convinced Christian is MIB - in fact, Claire states specifically that they are two separate entities.

Of course Clair thinks they're two different people, just like she thinks MiB/Christian is actually her father. She also thought the Others had her baby, so clearly MiB has duped her the entire time and her perspective doesn't really help us clarify anything.

If Christian isn't Flocke, then where is Christian now? Why is it the very last time we saw Christian was right before Flocke appeared to the Ajira survivors? And after Flocke appeared, we never saw Christian again.

If Christian is the MIB in "disguise" then the MIB can already leave the Island when he wants, since Christian has been seen off Island. So, if that is the case, then the MIB's plan "to escape the Island" is actually more of a metaphor then actually leaving the island.

That's the one thing I can't explain, and I hope it's addressed at some point. But remember what happened right before Christian appeared to Jack off the island? A smoke alarm started beeping.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The hairbrushes! ARGH!

If they don't explain the hairbrushes by the series finale, I am writing someone a strongly worded letter.

What are the Whispers?

What are the Flash Sideways?

Once and for all, how did so many people survive such a bad airplane crash? Did they die and were resurrected or were they somehow buffered from the impact by Jacob?

So Magnus Hanso's ship crashed on the island. But how did his descendants find out about the island and become involved with it?

 

[Agent Richard07]

- What about the infertility issue?

- Who was dropping food?

- Why is time all wonky on the island?

- What happened to Ben's little girlfriend?

- Why was Desmond in jail?

- Why does the island have healing properties?

- Why did Cindy willingly cooperate with the Others?

- Why did the pictures on the wall change in that house Miles visited?

- What was the hatch for and why did a button have to be pushed every 108 minutes? The island seems fine now without it.

 

[Mallet]

Well as for the Hanso descendants, somehow the Blacck Rock's Ship's Log must have made it off the Island and into Hanso family hands because we saw that it was up for auction (after the last Hanso died) and Widmore bought it.

Maybe they sent a ship looking for the Black Rock after it went missing? Maybe they found the Island and made it off with the log? That's kind of weak, but it's the only way that fits.

Unless someone abandoned ship during the storm, just before it shipwrecked and they took the log with them?

 

[coolghoul]

It's probably more the case that Dharma folk in the seventies found the Black Rock and took the log. And one of the Dharma folks took it out into the world. And then when he died, the log came to the auction block.

 

[Checkmate]

- What about the infertility issue?

Yeah. After the purpose of the island being revealed, having a huge state of a fertility goddess there, not to mention restricting people from breeding out of nowhere for no apparent reason, doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

 

[label]

The hairbrushes! ARGH!

If they don't explain the hairbrushes by the series finale, I am writing someone a strongly worded letter.

I'm pretty sure you can begin work on that now.

What are the Whispers?

My own wild guess => bleed over from people who have been on the island in the past from other points in time.

What are the Flash Sideways?

Dunno for sure, but my guess is that they are what follows the events of this season. The epilogue.

Once and for all, how did so many people survive such a bad airplane crash? Did they die and were resurrected or were they somehow buffered from the impact by Jacob?

This is a great question I do hope they visit. I heard one person's theory a year back is that the same magnetic anomaly that caused the crash also slowed the plane's descent so after it broke apart, the magnetic fields caused the plane to fall at a much slower rate. Just a theory though, I'd like to see them address this as well.

So Magnus Hanso's ship crashed on the island. But how did his descendants find out about the island and become involved with it?

Yeah, I'd like to know more about Hanso and Dharma and what they were really trying to do but I'm not sure we'll get those answers.

 

[label]

- What about the infertility issue?

Yeah, you're right, that's a big one they need to address.

- Who was dropping food?

The writers have said we'll find this out.

- Why is time all wonky on the island?

Do you mean why does the island have the potential to jump through time ala Season 5?

- What happened to Ben's little girlfriend?

The writers have pretty much said that it's not relevant.

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/

- Why was Desmond in jail?

I thought they said he ran away or didn't follow orders or some-such.

- Why does the island have healing properties?

Good one. I'm betting we'll get the answer to that one.

- What was the hatch for and why did a button have to be pushed every 108 minutes? The island seems fine now without it.

I thought they pretty much explained this one. Dharma people drilled through, caused an incident, put a cork on the power source and had to release the pressure every 108 minutes. However, what the consequences were for pulling the cork and releasing the energy is still unclear to me as well.

I could probably survive without knowing the answer but I certainly wouldn't mind hearing something that gives me an indication.

 

[Agent Richard07]

Do you mean why does the island have the potential to jump through time ala Season 5?

A deeper look at that might be nice, but I was more curious about what we saw in season 4 and time passing differently on the island.

 

[sidious618]

- What about the infertility issue?

The nuke/hitting the energy did it.

- Who was dropping food?

According to the MYsteries of the Universe webisodes Eloise Hawking did. She was in charge of the Dharma station off island, remember?

- Why is time all wonky on the island?

Not answered yet.

- What happened to Ben's little girlfriend?

Won't be answered.

- Why was Desmond in jail?

Fucked up in the military probably.

- Why does the island have healing properties?

Jacob did it, I imagine.

- Why did Cindy willingly cooperate with the Others?

Not answered yet.

- Why did the pictures on the wall change in that house Miles visited?

I'm not sure what this refers to.

- What was the hatch for and why did a button have to be pushed every 108 minutes? The island seems fine now without it.

After Dharma hit the pocket of energy they saw that it needed to be released every 108 minutes lest it all build up. So the button in the hatch did that. When Desmond hit the fail safe it released the energy into the Island and activated the frozen wheel thus moving the Island. The effect of the Island moving is the same in both "Live Together; Die Alone" and "There's No Place Like Home, Part Two."

 

[McCoy]

Maybe I'm thick but even after Jacob's talk to Richard, I still don't understand why he has to bring people to the island over and over again. I realize he's looking to prove something about inherent goodness, but why is that so important? What does he "win" when he can finally point to someone and say to MiB "See? I told you so." Will it change something? Make it so that the island's purpose is negated? Make the MiB a good guy and then everyone can go home?

 

[Agent Richard07]

- Why did the pictures on the wall change in that house Miles visited?

I'm not sure what this refers to.

In "Confirmed Dead", the Miles flashback showed him going into an old woman's house to set the ghost of her dead grandson free. When he enters, we see some pictures on the wall and when he leaves, the pictures are rearranged and the frames are different. As I recall, the camera focussed on the wall each time so that we'd notice this.

Wall #1
Wall #2