I was thinking maybe, in the 09 star trek film, spock and nero, while also traveling thru time also crossed into an alternate dimension, making what happen in star trek enterprise a prequel to the new star trek movie. any thoughts???????
Maybe Enterprise IS canon now!
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I think it's still a prequel to ALL Star Trek.
Nero went back to a time after Archer but before Kirk.
Nero went back to a time after Archer but before Kirk.
nero and spock emerged in the past and changed the future, but if they emerged into a similar parllel dimension, one almost identical to theirs, how would they know, they would assume they only time traveled, thus they changed the future, but the past is slightly diffrent from the one that they know. making enterprise what happen in that dimensions past.
and not TOS.
ENT was always canon.
Now how well it fits with the rest of Trek has been the subject of most of the debates about it, but there was never a moment in which ENT wasn't an official part of the Star Trek Universe, regardless if one personally wanted it to or not.
Now how well it fits with the rest of Trek has been the subject of most of the debates about it, but there was never a moment in which ENT wasn't an official part of the Star Trek Universe, regardless if one personally wanted it to or not.
Enterprise is now the only part of the canon to have occured in both realities. So, it's always been canon.
I suppose because of the misunderstood meaning of the word "Canon" among a some fans: Inconsistencies/contradictions = bad. Bad = Not Canon. Not Canon = It didn't happen.
I wish it would be so easy with reality. There are more than a couple of politicians whose terms I would like to declare non-Canon.
Well here's the thing, though. When you're dealing with a franchise as old as Star Trek, there are bound to be inconsistencies. Roddenberry did it to himself with the Klingons even, between TOS and ST:TMP. He wanted to play with a bigger budget, so they got the cooler, more menacing appearance he wanted from the beginning...but it was now an "inconsistency" that demanded to have an explanation retconned into the story. So in this particular instance, Enterprise solved one of canon's great inconsistencies.
At any rate, think of how many "holes" and inconsistencies are in our own history. All easily explained by different points of view, different agendas of the time, different priorities. It would happen in the future, too. Sure, recording and maintaining of information improves with technology, but it still depends on who's writing the history book.
At any rate, think of how many "holes" and inconsistencies are in our own history. All easily explained by different points of view, different agendas of the time, different priorities. It would happen in the future, too. Sure, recording and maintaining of information improves with technology, but it still depends on who's writing the history book.
While I will concede that it is perfectly valid to view it that way, I have sometimes thought that Enterprise makes more sense if you take it as what resulted, in a parallel universe, from some or all of the temporal shenanigans of the original TOS-VOY. As examples, the crash site for the Borg ship from First Contact was present (okay, so maybe it ran afoul of the predestination paradox - but that doesn't seem correct), and Cochrane was still on Earth (shouldn't he have been on his way to Gamma Canaris by that point?).
If I'm right, then Enterprise would still be in the continuity of the original four series, but only in the same sense that the events of "Cause and Effect", "Visionary", "Year of Hell", or "Yesterday's Enterprise" are in continuity. And the only thing that would be in the future of Enterprise that we've seen so far would be Star Trek 2009.
(And yes, I know Riker and Troi in the last episode of Enterprise negate that idea. But I choose to ignore the "valentine".
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You don't even need to go that length to "explain away" ENT. Quite a few of the inconsistencies with ENT lie more in the area of visual design than actual historical facts. Yes, there is the issue of 22nd-Century phase pistols followed by 23rd-Century hand lasers, but the amount of actual historical contradictions in ENT are probably even less than there is the other shows. If anything, ENT gets away with it because there is very little mention of anything from the 22nd-Century in other Trek shows.
If nothing else, "In A Mirror, Darkly" cemented ENT's continuity with TOS by basically continuing the storyline from "The Tholian Web," and featuring TOS designs and technology. One of the subplots of that episode was that TOS technology was superior to that in ENT. Now if that ain't continuity, then nuthin' is...
Very true.
Um when they found that pod thing with the corpse in it from the future Archer (before they knew it was from the future) though it might have been Cochrane they found since he had been missing for a while at that time implying he was at Gamma Canaris by that point.
I can think of hundreds.
I suppose because of the misunderstood meaning of the word "Canon" among a some fans: Inconsistencies/contradictions = bad. Bad = Not Canon. Not Canon = It didn't happen.
I wish it would be so easy with reality. There are more than a couple of politicians whose terms I would like to declare non-Canon.
I haven't thought about this fact in a while, but reading it again tonight, that's just darn cool. It's the one thing we ENT fans can have bragging rights to.
It's also not necessarily quite true. IF episodes of time travel in the original four series were subject to the predestination paradox, and IF the true single point of divergence between TOS and nuTrek is the appearance of the Narada, then in addition to Enterprise, nuTrek also has any of the events of "City on the Edge of Forever", Star Trek IV, DS9's "Little Green Men", First Contact, and so on that occurred before 2233 would still be in nuTrek's past. It doesn't matter that the characters involved originate in a different time branch, since that branch still apparently exists and has a path to those shared points on the timeline.I haven't thought about this fact in a while, but reading it again tonight, that's just darn cool. It's the one thing we ENT fans can have bragging rights to.
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