Do you think the filmmakers came off like douchebags on the DVD?

[Warped9]

Please, stop putting TOS on such a high pedestal. And, please, stop insulting those who enjoy being 'just' entertained by Trek.

That's my business. If I see something of value there and you don't then that isn't my problem. If you get a kick out of something I don't like then good for you.

I'm reminded of all the lousy music I often have to endure today that some like and I don't.

 

[Deckerd]

There should be a similar thread to this in the general science fiction, so we can discuss directors' revisionism of earlier works.

 

[Jeyl]

TMP may build on the foundations of TOS, but visually and stylistically there is no connection to TOS whatsoever.

And did they not mention that?

Scotty: "Admiral, we have just finished 18 months redesigning and rebuilding the Enterprise."

Kirk: "My experience. Five years out there dealing with unknowns like this. My familiarity with the Enterprise and it's crew."
Decker: "Admiral, this is an almost totally new Enterprise. You don't know her a 10th as well as I do."

McCoy: "And they probably redesigned the whole sickbay to! I know engineers. They love to change things."

And of course, don't forget the picture of the Enterprise pre-refit hanging on the well in the recreation deck. And thanks to the new Director's Edition, the Enterprise even retains a lot of it's original TOS era sound design.

It sounds to me that if they were rebooting TMP in any way shape or form, they wouldn't have bothered to explain why the Enterprise is so different looking. They'd just as well could have said that the Enterprise has always looked like that.

 

[number6]

It's pretty far fetched that StarFleet and the entire Trek universe would change that dramatically after "18 Months" of refitting the Enterprise. GR knew then that the visial aesthetic from the TV show wouldn't fly on the big screen. That was a throwaway line to explain why everything is different, much like the "alternate reality" in ST09 was a throwaway line to explain their stylistic choice.

Most people buy it because they accept it as part of the story and move on, while others bitch about it incessantly on the internet.

 

[Warped9]

If TOS had been mostly throwaway entertainment then it would have gone into the dustbin of TV history along with Lost In Space and other largely forgettable sci-fi. And LiS lasted two years longer than TOS.

It's pretty far fetched that StarFleet and the entire Trek universe would change that dramatically after "18 Months" of refitting the Enterprise. GR knew then that the visial aesthetic from the TV show wouldn't fly on the big screen. That was a throwaway line to explain why everything is different, much like the "alternate reality" in ST09 was a throwaway line to explain their stylistic choice.

Most people buy it because they accept it as part of the story and move on, while others bitch about it incessantly on the internet.

Granted. And that's one of my beefs with it that could have been fixed with a line of dialogue setting the story maybe about five or so years later.

 

[number6]

If TOS had been mostly throwaway entertainment then it would have gone into the dustbin of TV history along with Lost In Space and other largely forgettable sci-fi. And LiS lasted two years longer than TOS.

I don't know what this is supposed to mean as nowhere has anyone suggested that TOS was in any way considered "throwaway entertainment."


Oh, and LIS only ran three seasons, just like TOS, not that LIS has anything to do with this discussion.

 

[Greg Cox]

What I always liked about TOS the most was that sense of adventure and fun that was wrapped around the occasional high-minded, intelligent idea. And that is what got lost over the course of the years, when it Trek became just formula.
Star Trek finally brought the fun, the adventure and the sense of something new back.
.

Well put! TOS remains my favorite incarnation of TREK, but, honestly, the way some people talk you'd think it was a weekly symposium on the issues of the day that wouldn't dream of ever being (gasp!) popular. (Which is apparently a dirty word in some circles.)

Actually, STAR TREK was a smart, well-done space opera, complete with bug-eyed monsters, beautiful space princesses, swashbuckling action, and engaging characters, along with a hopeful, optimistic vision of the future.

Just like the new movie.

 

[ST-One]

TMP may build on the foundations of TOS, but visually and stylistically there is no connection to TOS whatsoever.

And did they not mention that?

Scotty: "Admiral, we have just finished 18 months redesigning and rebuilding the Enterprise."

Kirk: "My experience. Five years out there dealing with unknowns like this. My familiarity with the Enterprise and it's crew."
Decker: "Admiral, this is an almost totally new Enterprise. You don't know her a 10th as well as I do."

McCoy: "And they probably redesigned the whole sickbay to! I know engineers. They love to change things."

And of course, don't forget the picture of the Enterprise pre-refit hanging on the well in the recreation deck. And thanks to the new Director's Edition, the Enterprise even retains a lot of it's original TOS era sound design.

It sounds to me that if they were rebooting TMP in any way shape or form, they wouldn't have bothered to explain why the Enterprise is so different looking. They'd just as well could have said that the Enterprise has always looked like that.

It's pretty far fetched that StarFleet and the entire Trek universe would change that dramatically after "18 Months" of refitting the Enterprise. GR knew then that the visial aesthetic from the TV show wouldn't fly on the big screen. That was a throwaway line to explain why everything is different, much like the "alternate reality" in ST09 was a throwaway line to explain their stylistic choice.

Most people buy it because they accept it as part of the story and move on, while others bitch about it incessantly on the internet.

This.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well put! TOS remains my favorite incarnation of TREK, but, honestly, the way some people talk you'd think it was a weekly symposium on the issues of the day that wouldn't dream of ever being (gasp!) popular. (Which is apparently a dirty word in some circles.)

Actually, STAR TREK was a smart, well-done space opera, complete with bug-eyed monsters, beautiful space princesses, swashbuckling action, and engaging characters, along with a hopeful, optimistic vision of the future.

Just like the new movie.

Yep, that's why TOS was the best.

 

[stonester1]

DS9 is my favorite, but TOS does indeed rock. Trek works because of the above, a space opera written with intelligence and wit, not afraid to embrace the madness occasionally inherent in the genre, yet from week to week, you could have adventure, comedy, drama, thoughtful, even spiritual meditation, etc etc.

And it was so well cast, that even the bad eps had something that drew you in, if nothing else, watching these actors breath life into these characters.

Trek has always managed this in most of it's incarnations and managed it well, which is why it endures and can always find a new audience.

The last film demonstrated the new people get the wit, high adventure, even the drama. I'm looking forward to see what they do next.

 

[Sector 7]

What I always liked about TOS the most was that sense of adventure and fun that was wrapped around the occasional high-minded, intelligent idea. And that is what got lost over the course of the years, when it Trek became just formula.
Star Trek finally brought the fun, the adventure and the sense of something new back.
.

Well put! TOS remains my favorite incarnation of TREK, but, honestly, the way some people talk you'd think it was a weekly symposium on the issues of the day that wouldn't dream of ever being (gasp!) popular. (Which is apparently a dirty word in some circles.)

Actually, STAR TREK was a smart, well-done space opera, complete with bug-eyed monsters, beautiful space princesses, swashbuckling action, and engaging characters, along with a hopeful, optimistic vision of the future.

Just like the new movie.

You stated this well. These are the reasons I became a Trek fan and remain one to this day. I am one of the fans who got lost in all the techno- and psychobabble of later Trek. The new movie brought back the fun and adventure that I missed in later incarnations.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

On the other hand TWoK comes off as very much a reboot although not as drastic as ST09.

At the time some fans were throwing just as big a shit fit over TWOK as some over ST09. I remember an article in best of Trek dubbing TWOK as Indiana Skywalker Meets the Son of Star Trek. The more things change...

 

[John200]

On the other hand TWoK comes off as very much a reboot although not as drastic as ST09.

At the time some fans were throwing just as big a shit fit over TWOK as some over ST09. I remember an article in best of Trek dubbing TWOK as Indiana Skywalker Meets the Son of Star Trek. The more things change...

Really?

I thought it was the film that got back to the basics of the original series.

Not downing TMP but it was more of a 'look at these cool effects' movie.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

On the other hand TWoK comes off as very much a reboot although not as drastic as ST09.

At the time some fans were throwing just as big a shit fit over TWOK as some over ST09. I remember an article in best of Trek dubbing TWOK as Indiana Skywalker Meets the Son of Star Trek. The more things change...

Really?

I thought it was the film that got back to the basics of the original series.

Not downing TMP but it was more of a 'look at these cool effects' movie.

I'm not agreeing with what that fan said. In fact I think it's bullshit but that was the name of the article. I don't have the book it was published in anymore. Wish I did. It's fun reading the old fanzine stuff and realizing that we Trek fans were just as pompous and arrogant before we all owned PCs as we are now.

 

[John200]

Trek fans were just as pompous and arrogant before we all owned PCs as we are now.

The net was invented for them.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Trek fans were just as pompous and arrogant before we all owned PCs as we are now.

The net was invented for them.

There was a rumor that it was invented by Al Gore, but since there's no on-screen evidence for this, it isn't Canon.