Who disregards the continuity after the Kirk era?
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My sig says it all. 
And I get blasted for it often enough, too.
I've long held the view that over the years we've been seeing different alternate continuities. For me it goes something like this:
TOS-TAS-TMP
TWoK-TSFS-TVH-TFF-TUC and this continuity may be part of TNG-DS9-VOY-ENT
And finally there's ST09.
I will add that I think that something parallel to TWoK through TNG happened in the original TOS continuity only somewhat altered. In no way can I accept anything parallel with ENT in TOS' continuity. TOS' 21st and 22nd centuries were quite different.
And I get blasted for it often enough, too.
I've long held the view that over the years we've been seeing different alternate continuities. For me it goes something like this:
TOS-TAS-TMP
TWoK-TSFS-TVH-TFF-TUC and this continuity may be part of TNG-DS9-VOY-ENT
And finally there's ST09.
I will add that I think that something parallel to TWoK through TNG happened in the original TOS continuity only somewhat altered. In no way can I accept anything parallel with ENT in TOS' continuity. TOS' 21st and 22nd centuries were quite different.
Well personally I think that The Undiscovered Country is a good cut off point for the Kirk era.
Wrapped it up quite nicely.
Ahhhhhh personal canon.
In my mind, not only did TNG+ not happen, but most of TWOK-TUC didn't happen, or didn't happen the same way as what we saw on screen.
In fact, some of what we saw in TOS was wrong too, but mostly background stuff and organizational stuff.
In my mind, not only did TNG+ not happen, but most of TWOK-TUC didn't happen, or didn't happen the same way as what we saw on screen.
In fact, some of what we saw in TOS was wrong too, but mostly background stuff and organizational stuff.
AFAIK, people can believe whatever they want to believe. However, personal belief, personal "canon" if you will, has absolutely zero effect on what the "actual" canon of the show/movies are. People are still going to go out and buy the Blu-Rays of ST '09, the producers are still going to film the sequel, and millions of people are still going to see it, regardless of what some schmuck at the TrekBBS thinks about "personal canon." Someone telling me that they completely disregard all events after TOS is meaningless to me, because I don't feel the same way, and it's pointless to even have an argument with that person because there's no common basis with which to have a civilized, logical discussion (and anyway, I have Paramount to back me up). It's like arguing for or against the existence of God. But if that's what that person believes, fine.
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"I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a TV show!"
Whatever Paramount says is canon is canon. What I like and dislike is my own affair, it's not the same thing for me as saying that 'it didn't happen'; because I don't assume I have that sort of authorial control over the franchise, even at a personal level. Spock's background, life and death and context are not things I can pick at a whim.
Correct.
Withers
Captain
I can see the wisdom in trying to view them all as different continuities. The idea that TOS follows Enterprise doesn't gel with me. So, aside just being curmudgeonly, I can see where trying to separate them from one another makes sense.
"Disregarding" everything that followed Kirk's era as "non-cannon" strikes me as going overboard. I don't particularly care for 19th century American history but I don't just pretend it didn't happen. Like it or not stuff did in fact come after the Kirk era.
"Disregarding" everything that followed Kirk's era as "non-cannon" strikes me as going overboard. I don't particularly care for 19th century American history but I don't just pretend it didn't happen. Like it or not stuff did in fact come after the Kirk era.
-Withers-
Thank you, Master of the Obvious.
Maybe I should have said, "Ahhhhhh personal canon.
In my mind, not only did TNG+ not meta-happen, but most of TWOK-TUC didn't meta-happen, or didn't meta-happen the same way as what we saw on screen.
In fact, some of what we saw in TOS was meta-wrong too, but mostly background stuff and organizational stuff. "
Ok, but, history REALLY DID happen. Nothing in Star Trek actually "happened", so we're each free to accept or disregard any part of this fictional "future history" that Paramount shows us.
What the hell would be the point in arguing about it in the first place? How would that go?
My sig says it all.
And I get blasted for it often enough, too.
I've long held the view that over the years we've been seeing different alternate continuities. For me it goes something like this:
TOS-TAS-TMP
TWoK-TSFS-TVH-TFF-TUC and this continuity may be part of TNG-DS9-VOY-ENT
And finally there's ST09.
I will add that I think that something parallel to TWoK through TNG happened in the original TOS continuity only somewhat altered. In no way can I accept anything parallel with ENT in TOS' continuity. TOS' 21st and 22nd centuries were quite different.
Never going to get 'blasted' by me! Pretty the original, with the movies (to a point)...
Uh, yeah...that was the point I was trying to make.
I disregard any continuity that interferes with the entertainment value of the thing. I really don't even care whether Abrams's movie is treated as separate from TOS or as the "prequel" to it. Kirk and Spock are Kirk and Spock.
I remember seeing the beginning of a fan story, years ago, that drafted a different version of "Generations" based on the premise that TNG took place twenty years after TUC rather than - what, seventy or eighty years? In some ways it worked better.
I remember seeing the beginning of a fan story, years ago, that drafted a different version of "Generations" based on the premise that TNG took place twenty years after TUC rather than - what, seventy or eighty years? In some ways it worked better.
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