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JLA: Crisis on Two Earths.

It just doesn't work. Luthor already cleaned up his act and ran for president once in the DCAU, and his presidential bid ended up with him exposed as a supercriminal, disgraced, and jailed. There's no way in hell he'd be taken seriously as a presidential candidate after that, let alone actually get elected.

Also, I can't see the DCAU's Amanda Waller being as passive a dupe of Luthor as she was portrayed in PE. She's way too smart and cunning for that. And she'd have way too much of a grudge against Luthor after the way he used her and Cadmus. She'd never trust him, let alone work for him.
 
Christopher said:
It just doesn't work. Luthor already cleaned up his act and ran for president once in the DCAU, and his presidential bid ended up with him exposed as a supercriminal, disgraced, and jailed. There's no way in hell he'd be taken seriously as a presidential candidate after that, let alone actually get elected.

Also, I can't see the DCAU's Amanda Waller being as passive a dupe of Luthor as she was portrayed in PE. She's way too smart and cunning for that. And she'd have way too much of a grudge against Luthor after the way he used her and Cadmus. She'd never trust him, let alone work for him.
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Lex could make the claim (legitimately, IMO) that he was under Brainiac's mental influence during the Cadmus arc. In PE he reminds several people (including Power Girl) that he has worked hard to redeem his public image over his past misdeeds. Waller may be a hardass, but she's ultimately a fair hardass.
 
Interpreting the broad strokes of 'Crisis on Two Earths' into JLU continuity is one thing, trying to shoe horn in 'Public Enemies' is entierly pointless for the same reason that you wouldn't attempt it with any of the other DC Universe DVD movies. It's supposed to be unique and independent. The only reason Crisis has a certain relevance is because it originally was going to be in continuity and it gives some insight into how the writers & producers saw things happening in that span of time.
 
Christopher said:
I just don't see it, for all the reasons I gave in my review.
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Yeah, that review...all over the place isn't it?

First you gripe about how Power Girl is overly "idealized", then when we get someone like Waller, who is portrayed as less than model/porn star beautiful you gripe about THAT...

Inconsistent much? Over half of your crits are obsessions about body-type portrayals in a superhero project...two words, say them with me: "genre convention"...:rolleyes:

Oh, and Supes has every right to be that suspicious of Luthor. He's had to deal with the snake more than anyone else. Even then, he tried to put aside his personal loathing and not make waves with the government's registered hero initiative. And when Luthor asked for a meet, he went despite his (well founded) misgivings, because he was puting the people first. Hardly the hair-trigger maniac you portray him to be.

Capt Atom and co are just doing their jobs and trying to bring in Supes as ordered. What were they supposed to use...harsh language?
 
Reverend said:
Interpreting the broad strokes of 'Crisis on Two Earths' into JLU continuity is one thing, trying to shoe horn in 'Public Enemies' is entierly pointless for the same reason that you wouldn't attempt it with any of the other DC Universe DVD movies. It's supposed to be unique and independent. The only reason Crisis has a certain relevance is because it originally was going to be in continuity and it gives some insight into how the writers & producers saw things happening in that span of time.
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Exactly. The only reason I'm even considering working Co2E into my DCAU chronology is that it's a close adaptation of a script that was meant to be part of the DCAU from the start. It's essentially a "lost episode."

Other than that, the only non-DCAU production I include in my chronology is the 1990 The Flash live-action series, which had the same "Dark Deco" retro-modern look and technology as B:TAS, and whose version of the Trickster (played by Mark Hamill) appeared in JLU's "Flash and Substance." (Also, The Flash had music by Shirley Walker, subsequently the lead composer for B:TAS and S:TAS. And Walker's Flash motif from the 1990 series was reused for the Flash in S:TAS's "Speed Demons." So it feels to me like part of the same whole. Although the Flash of "Speed Demons" seems more like Wally West than Barry Allen. I assume that Barry had recently turned over the Flash mantle to Wally at that point.)
 
Christopher said:
Reverend said:
Interpreting the broad strokes of 'Crisis on Two Earths' into JLU continuity is one thing, trying to shoe horn in 'Public Enemies' is entierly pointless for the same reason that you wouldn't attempt it with any of the other DC Universe DVD movies. It's supposed to be unique and independent. The only reason Crisis has a certain relevance is because it originally was going to be in continuity and it gives some insight into how the writers & producers saw things happening in that span of time.
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Exactly. The only reason I'm even considering working Co2E into my DCAU chronology is that it's a close adaptation of a script that was meant to be part of the DCAU from the start. It's essentially a "lost episode."

Other than that, the only non-DCAU production I include in my chronology is the 1990 The Flash live-action series, which had the same "Dark Deco" retro-modern look and technology as B:TAS, and whose version of the Trickster (played by Mark Hamill) appeared in JLU's "Flash and Substance." (Also, The Flash had music by Shirley Walker, subsequently the lead composer for B:TAS and S:TAS. And Walker's Flash motif from the 1990 series was reused for the Flash in S:TAS's "Speed Demons." So it feels to me like part of the same whole. Although the Flash of "Speed Demons" seems more like Wally West than Barry Allen. I assume that Barry had recently turned over the Flash mantle to Wally at that point.)
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I think its cool, what you are trying to do. Are you going to publish this chronology?

Rob
 
I just finished watching this this evening. I was trying to keep an open mind because I'd seen reviews and opinions all over the map. My conclusion?

I quite liked it. I'm sure whenever I watch it again I could nitpick at it, but as it is I enjoyed it. I didn't have much problem with the choice of voices for the individual characters and overall I just accepted them. That said, though, for me Kevin Conroy will always be the "real" animated Batman.

I also liked seeing the Under The Red Hood preview and I'm quite looking forward to that release.
 
Christopher said:
Reverend said:
Interpreting the broad strokes of 'Crisis on Two Earths' into JLU continuity is one thing, trying to shoe horn in 'Public Enemies' is entierly pointless for the same reason that you wouldn't attempt it with any of the other DC Universe DVD movies. It's supposed to be unique and independent. The only reason Crisis has a certain relevance is because it originally was going to be in continuity and it gives some insight into how the writers & producers saw things happening in that span of time.
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Exactly. The only reason I'm even considering working Co2E into my DCAU chronology is that it's a close adaptation of a script that was meant to be part of the DCAU from the start. It's essentially a "lost episode."

Other than that, the only non-DCAU production I include in my chronology is the 1990 The Flash live-action series, which had the same "Dark Deco" retro-modern look and technology as B:TAS, and whose version of the Trickster (played by Mark Hamill) appeared in JLU's "Flash and Substance." (Also, The Flash had music by Shirley Walker, subsequently the lead composer for B:TAS and S:TAS. And Walker's Flash motif from the 1990 series was reused for the Flash in S:TAS's "Speed Demons." So it feels to me like part of the same whole. Although the Flash of "Speed Demons" seems more like Wally West than Barry Allen. I assume that Barry had recently turned over the Flash mantle to Wally at that point.)
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You are of course going to include DKA in the timeline, yes? ;) (kidding)
 
I was going to ask what DKA was, but then I saw the link in your signature. No, I don't think I'd include fanfiction. I am including some of the DC-published "Adventures" comics, those that I judge compatible with the onscreen continuity, but unfortunately I haven't read most of the "Adventures" comics, so the chronology remains incomplete in that regard. (Although I do have The Lost Years, the comic miniseries bridging B:TAS and TNBA, which is probably the most important one given the chronological data it provides on the interval between the two.)
 
Okay I have to ask after seeing the link in Reverend's signature and being reminded of this, so why did they change Superman's S sheild in Batman Beyond?
 
The same reason it changed from its original incarnation in 1938, the 40's, the 50's, the 60's, etc. Style and fashion changes over time.
 
Wasn't Superman's look in "The Call" based somewhat on his appearance in the Kingdom Come comics miniseries? Both have grey temples and a more angular S shield.
 
Christopher said:
I was going to ask what DKA was, but then I saw the link in your signature. No, I don't think I'd include fanfiction. I am including some of the DC-published "Adventures" comics, those that I judge compatible with the onscreen continuity, but unfortunately I haven't read most of the "Adventures" comics, so the chronology remains incomplete in that regard. (Although I do have The Lost Years, the comic miniseries bridging B:TAS and TNBA, which is probably the most important one given the chronological data it provides on the interval between the two.)
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Well if you get stuck with things you haven't read yet, I'm sure there's a DCAU wikia out there. There's a wikia for everything these days.
I was kidding about DKA, I wouldn't expect anyone to include fan fiction in a canon timeline. Having said that, we did do the research to make sure it fit between what was established and were careful to keep things away from anywhere subsequent shows were likely to go. It got a bit interesting towards the end as we had to adjust a few things to avoid conflicting with episodes like 'Epilogue' and 'Far From Home' which were still airing at the time. The latter actually forced us to change the background for one character, which as it turned out was a more interesting way to go.

Christopher said:
Wasn't Superman's look in "The Call" based somewhat on his appearance in the Kingdom Come comics miniseries? Both have grey temples and a more angular S shield.
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Somewhat. Yes insofar as it was an older greying Superman and the 'S' itself was more angular but the design and colour scheme of the costume was more inspired by the "electro-Superman" crossed with the general look of the DCAU's Kryptonian costume aesthetic. Very similar to Jor-El's outfit as I recall.
 
Reverend said:
Christopher said:
I was going to ask what DKA was, but then I saw the link in your signature. No, I don't think I'd include fanfiction. I am including some of the DC-published "Adventures" comics, those that I judge compatible with the onscreen continuity, but unfortunately I haven't read most of the "Adventures" comics, so the chronology remains incomplete in that regard. (Although I do have The Lost Years, the comic miniseries bridging B:TAS and TNBA, which is probably the most important one given the chronological data it provides on the interval between the two.)
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Well if you get stuck with things you haven't read yet, I'm sure there's a DCAU wikia out there. There's a wikia for everything these days.
I was kidding about DKA, I wouldn't expect anyone to include fan fiction in a canon timeline. Having said that, we did do the research to make sure it fit between what was established and were careful to keep things away from anywhere subsequent shows were likely to go. It got a bit interesting towards the end as we had to adjust a few things to avoid conflicting with episodes like 'Epilogue' and 'Far From Home' which were still airing at the time. The latter actually forced us to change the background for one character, which as it turned out was a more interesting way to go.

Christopher said:
Wasn't Superman's look in "The Call" based somewhat on his appearance in the Kingdom Come comics miniseries? Both have grey temples and a more angular S shield.
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Somewhat. Yes insofar as it was an older greying Superman and the 'S' itself was more angular but the design and colour scheme of the costume was more inspired by the "electro-Superman" crossed with the general look of the DCAU's Kryptonian costume aesthetic. Very similar to Jor-El's outfit as I recall.
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I so miss the DCAU. there use to be this site where all of the animated characters were kept and you could create your own in the "TIMM" style...I miss that site..

Rob
 
Reverend said:
Well if you get stuck with things you haven't read yet, I'm sure there's a DCAU wikia out there. There's a wikia for everything these days.
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The DCAU Wiki has been in my bookmarks for quite some time, but it only has a single entry covering the comics in a general sense. The DC Comics Database includes them but has only fragmentary and cursory information, nowhere near enough for me to determine which stories are compatible with screen canon or figure out where to place them in the chronology. The only way to do that is to read the stories myself.

I wish GitCorp would put out a DVD-ROM containing all the Adventures comics on one disc, like they've done with various Marvel series and the Star Trek comics. It would probably be the only economical (and legal) way to get them all.
 
RobertScorpio said:
I so miss the DCAU. there use to be this site where all of the animated characters were kept and you could create your own in the "TIMM" style...I miss that site..

Rob
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You can download the "create you own" program (if this is the program you are referring to here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/133970420/fabrica.rar.html

The button labels aren't in english, but about 15-30 minutes worth of playing around with it shows you what's what.

It's a heck of a lot of fun. I've got a library of over 100 characters I've either done costume redesigns for or created outright.

There's a more sophisticated version here (online use only, not in english, but there's a translator button):

http://fabricadeherois.blogspot.com/

It has a different visual style.

And there's this program (downloadable), with yet another visual style:

http://www.heromachine.com/license-agreement-and-installation-instructions/
 
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I preferred the Justice Lords from the Justic League cartoon, although, of course, they were based on the CSA of years gone by.
 
City of Heroes MMO has a very dynamic costume creator that has seen a lot of improvements over the years. I like it. I used to create new heroes to play just because I wanted to try the costume sets (e.g., cyborg, ninja, samurai, etc.).
 
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