Saturday predatory female teacher thread

[thumbtack]

Over the years, a number of these teachers have convinced their boys to murder their husbands. Is that also informed consent? Is that also proof of emotional maturity?

 

[Hermiod]

Unless I'm very much mistaken, in the case of the Ballet teacher, British law still doesn't provide for lower sentences for women.

As such, as a rapist (and yes, I'm jumping straight to her being guilty because that's what we do in rape cases), she should go to jail for a very long time.

 

[Shaw]

Over the years, a number of these teachers have convinced their boys to murder their husbands. Is that also informed consent? Is that also proof of emotional maturity?

By that reasoning, the man that raped a woman yesterday proves that all men are monsters.

The world is full if individuals. You might have been ill equipped at 15 to provide consent and could have been turned into a killer... but I don't think that should reflect on all 15 year olds. I've known people well into their 30s who weren't equipped to make consent decisions and lacked the emotional maturity needed for relationships (and they had once been 15)... it seems to me that in some cases, age really isn't the issue.

With very few exception, all of us here were teenagers once. When talking about teens, you should (first and foremost) remember what you were like back then.

 

[Hermiod]

With very few exception, all of us here were teenagers once. When talking about teens, you should (first and foremost) remember what you were like back then.

That's half the problem, isn't it ? I do remember being a teenager. If a certain science teacher of mine had come on to me, no matter how much the logical part of my brain would have been asking what the hell she was thinking, there's no way my hormones would have let me say no.

Forget emotional maturity, it's a matter of plain old maturity. To a 15 year old boy, sex = good, sex with that really hot science teacher you thought was unobtainable = even better.

 

[hyzmarca]

Then there's this UK Sun article

A TOP ballet teacher has appeared in court accused of abducting one of her boy pupils and having sex with him.

Dundee-born, Sarah Pirie, 27, formerly of St Annes, Lancashire, is facing five charges of intentionally sexually touching the 15-year-old boy.

Pirie, formerly a teacher at a dance school on the Fylde Coast, Lancs, is alleged to have taken the teenager to hotels in Manchester and committed the sex offences between March and June last year.

Here's the pic of the ballet teacher.

Youch! Kidnapping!

Comments? Double standards? Outrage?

This is the thread for them.

Now I really wish that I had took ballet.

 

[Misfit Toy]

Or you can pull the stick out, realize that it was a joke, and chill the hell out.

Or you can read his post, which was suggesting that I called him a racist, and return to your otherwise productive life.

The "joke" I'm talking about was not Post #34. I'm talking about Post #18.

If you had not over reacted to Post #18 (and you did, hence "pull the stick out"), Post #34 would probably never have been made.

Now go about your business.

The "joke" you were talking about is the post containing the stereotyping that I was responding to in the first place. Evidently you feel that everyone should agree with what you think constitutes humor.

Naaa.

That said - these aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along.

 

[Shaw]

With very few exception, all of us here were teenagers once. When talking about teens, you should (first and foremost) remember what you were like back then.

That's half the problem, isn't it ? I do remember being a teenager. If a certain science teacher of mine had come on to me, no matter how much the logical part of my brain would have been asking what the hell she was thinking, there's no way my hormones would have let me say no.

Forget emotional maturity, it's a matter of plain old maturity. To a 15 year old boy, sex = good, sex with that really hot science teacher you thought was unobtainable = even better.

Well, I also remember.

At 16 the hottest girl at my school was the track coach (who was 25 at the time). Most of the guys I knew thought of her the same way you seem to have thought about your science teacher. But to me, she was not only hot and my coach, she was my friend (and had a lot to learn about track and field in my opinion).

Sadly our relationship (including 9 years of marriage) only lasted 13 years. And the only years of those that I regret were the last couple (as she went through a mid life crisis).

While I was in school she was single (other than having dated the water polo coach at around the time I had met her, he was considered by the girls to be the hottest guy at my school so they had been the dream couple). Our relationship wasn't that much of a secret as my parents knew about it (she even moved in with us in the spring of my senior year after breaking her nose in an accident).

Was I raging with hormones? Possibly, but our relationship wasn't based on sex. Sex wasn't a factor for the first couple of years, it was something we worked up to (as I've always thought that a relationship should be founded on friendship). Nothing happened that I didn't want to happen and nothing moved faster than I wanted it to.

To be fair, I had little in common with other teenagers. I was closer with all my teachers than with any of the students, and none of the people my age at the time seem capable of taking anything seriously. So I wouldn't have thought then (any more than now) that this would be a universally good situation for everyone. But for me, based on who I am (and was), it worked (for a little more than a decade at least).

Like I said, a world of individuals.

But it is good to know that you were like how I saw most the other students around me back then.

 

[Hermiod]

But it is good to know that you were like how I saw most the other students around me back then.

What's that supposed to mean ? Am I supposed to be ashamed that I was once a 15 year old boy with a sex drive ?

When you put together the combined effects of a teenager's hormones, the messages coming from his friends about how he should want sex and should try particularly hard not to be a virgin and the simple fact that an attractive woman wants to have sex with him, I would argue strongly that his ability to give consent freely is somewhat impaired.

Setting the age at 16 is somewhat abritrary, of course, but it had to be set somewhere.

As an aside - my belief that those accused of rape should have anonymity until conviction does not exclude women like those in these two cases.

 

[Data Holmes]

Over the years, a number of these teachers have convinced their boys to murder their husbands. Is that also informed consent? Is that also proof of emotional maturity?

And what about the numbers of adults who are convinced to murder for another? Stupidity doesn't indicate a lack of an informed decision, just a wrong one.

Over the years, a number of these teachers have convinced their boys to murder their husbands. Is that also informed consent? Is that also proof of emotional maturity?

By that reasoning, the man that raped a woman yesterday proves that all men are monsters.

The world is full if individuals. You might have been ill equipped at 15 to provide consent and could have been turned into a killer... but I don't think that should reflect on all 15 year olds. I've known people well into their 30s who weren't equipped to make consent decisions and lacked the emotional maturity needed for relationships (and they had once been 15)... it seems to me that in some cases, age really isn't the issue.

With very few exception, all of us here were teenagers once. When talking about teens, you should (first and foremost) remember what you were like back then.

Exactly. Age alone is not an indicator of anything except age. Emotional maturity, intelligence, ect, are all seperate entities from age.

 

[Chaos Descending]

The "joke" you were talking about is the post containing the stereotyping that I was responding to in the first place. Evidently you feel that everyone should agree with what you think constitutes humor.

Naaa.

That said - these aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along.

I clearly wasn't the only one who noticed that it was a joke.

 

[Shaw]

What's that supposed to mean ? Am I supposed to be ashamed that I was once a 15 year old boy with a sex drive ?

Well, you weren't ashamed before, so why would my comment matter (even if you took it wrong)? I was just noting that your description of yourself seemed like most of the people I knew in high school... which would usually be considered me agreeing with you (but apparently isn't how you took it).

Setting the age at 16 is somewhat abritrary, of course, but it had to be set somewhere.

I didn't set an age, I was sharing my (most personal) experiences (again, not something I would have done if I was attacking you). The age of 16 was how old I was when my family moved and I came to a new high school.

To share a little more about the story... she and I didn't see eye-to-eye when I came to the school. She was a distance runner and knew nothing about sprints/hurdles, I was already one of the fastest hurdlers in the county. We fought on most things for the first 9 months or so that we knew each other... but in the end I always did things my way. But after the first couple meets of my junior year she started to realize that I really knew what I was doing and let me start coaching the other athletes (sprinters/hurdlers).

But this is what I meant (much earlier) in that newspaper stories aren't going to give you this type of information about the relationship. They only cover the tawdry aspects of the affair because that is the only part most readers are interested in.

Maybe a few sexual encounters was all there was in the cases noted at the beginning of the thread. Maybe there was more to it. In my experience sex wasn't a big factor, and looking back, sex isn't the aspects I recall the most. In fact the first time we had sex (which was my first time) isn't a highlight for me... the first time she fell a sleep on my lap while watching a movie (A Christmas Carol) is one of the strongest romantic memories I have.

At any rate... I wasn't attacking you, nor should you ever feel embarrassed or ashamed for being you.

 

[Misfit Toy]

The "joke" you were talking about is the post containing the stereotyping that I was responding to in the first place. Evidently you feel that everyone should agree with what you think constitutes humor.

Naaa.

That said - these aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along.

I clearly wasn't the only one who noticed that it was a joke.

That's true. Other people were wrong as well.

 

[gturner]

Not to change the subject, but another one of my acquaintences has made the news, this time the national news!

I drank beer with this guy out by my pond, and he and his fraternity brother (who often visits, once bringing us some geese he shot) tried some of my hot peppers out of the garden.

LEXINGTON, Ky. — Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity has suspended its University of Kentucky chapter after a prank involving fire.

WKYT-TV in Lexington reported 19-year-old fraternity member Shaun Dunn wrapped another member in toilet paper and set it on fire. The carpet caught fire and the smoke detectors went off.

Dunn is charged with first degree arson, wanton endangerment and tampering with physical evidence.

The incident early Saturday also disclosed fire code violations, so the house was closed for the semester. Members were given 24 hours to move out.

Fraternity member Joe McKinley is charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest — accused of hitting the officer in the face when told to leave his room.

Fox News story

He had the guy wrapped up like a mummy - and I guess he had a lighter, and beer. That pretty much set the stage for what followed.

Another frequent guest here crashed his truck through a house in Richmond, then managed to back out and drive away before walking back a half hour later after his truck up and died. He blew something like three times the legal limit but didn't serve a day in jail.

 

[Chaos Descending]

The "joke" you were talking about is the post containing the stereotyping that I was responding to in the first place. Evidently you feel that everyone should agree with what you think constitutes humor.

Naaa.

That said - these aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along.

I clearly wasn't the only one who noticed that it was a joke.

That's true. Other people were wrong as well.

Well played.

 

[scotpens]

Setting the age at 16 is somewhat abritrary, of course, but it had to be set somewhere.

I didn't set an age, I was sharing my (most personal) experiences (again, not something I would have done if I was attacking you). The age of 16 was how old I was when my family moved and I came to a new high school.

I believe Hermiod was referring not to your personal experience, but to the legal age of consent. I believe that's 16 in the United Kingdom. In the U.S. it's between 16 and 18, depending on the state, with 16 being the most common.

 

[RJDiogenes]

When you put together the combined effects of a teenager's hormones, the messages coming from his friends about how he should want sex and should try particularly hard not to be a virgin and the simple fact that an attractive woman wants to have sex with him, I would argue strongly that his ability to give consent freely is somewhat impaired.

That's motivation, not impairment.

 

[Hermiod]

Well, you weren't ashamed before, so why would my comment matter (even if you took it wrong)? I was just noting that your description of yourself seemed like most of the people I knew in high school... which would usually be considered me agreeing with you (but apparently isn't how you took it).

I took it as you suggesting that you were somehow above the ordinary hormonal behaviour of an average teenage boy when you were 15. It appears I was wrong, I apologise.

I didn't set an age, I was sharing my (most personal) experiences (again, not something I would have done if I was attacking you).

You didn't set an age, I didn't set an age, the law set an age.

When you put together the combined effects of a teenager's hormones, the messages coming from his friends about how he should want sex and should try particularly hard not to be a virgin and the simple fact that an attractive woman wants to have sex with him, I would argue strongly that his ability to give consent freely is somewhat impaired.

That's motivation, not impairment.

No, RJ, it's an impairment. A 15 year old is legally incapable of giving consent, sex without consent is rape.

 

[RJDiogenes]

^^ Legally, but not realistically. I was certainly capable of giving consent when I was 15 (and did, actually, though she was only about two years older). My point was that being highly motivated to do something does not equal impaired judgment-- it just equals enthusiasm.

 

[Jetfire]

When I was 15/16 I tried my best to get with this hot 30 year-old woman that worked at a grill my friend and I used to go to...even convinced her I was 18 ...but eventually she found out the truth.

 

[Hermiod]

^^ Legally, but not realistically. I was certainly capable of giving consent when I was 15 (and did, actually, though she was only about two years older). My point was that being highly motivated to do something does not equal impaired judgment-- it just equals enthusiasm.

As I said earlier, the law was set at 16. You can make the argument for lowering it, but right now it's still 16. That makes the women in these cases rapists whether they think they are or not.

You are free to disagree with the law, we both live in democracies and believe me there are more than a few things I disagree with about British rape laws but as it stands, the law doesn't give much room in this matter.

What will most likely happen is that the women in these cases will not go to jail, they'll get off with a slap on the wrist simply because a 15 year old boy cannot make a decision on consent either way, such consent is presumed - it's assumed that all men, especially young men, want sex all the time.