Not to mention her breasts.
The Supernova.
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Not to mention her breasts.
Unfortunately, the humans race really is that stupid. Possibly worse.
When you get down to it, everyone is misled or miseducated in one way or another. Children believe in the existence of things like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny and optimism. Is it wrong to fill their heads with these ideas, or should we just be straight up and hones with them that none of these things are real?
Likewise, most people in a movie audience don't care about scientific accuracy, they just want to be entertained. Granted, I don't think Trek XI was particularly good movie anyway, but I am obviously in the minority. The movie's large box office success clearly proves enough of the right people thought it good and entertaining. While things like a galaxy threatening supernova and wrong registry numbers get us upset, and rightly so, they do not matter John Everyman and Average Joe, who Abrams and cohorts were making this movie for. In fact it's possible John and Joe don't know what a supernova really is, and think it's perfectly normal for one to threaten the galaxy. They don't care either, because to them it's a huge ass splosion(!) and by extension exciting.
Besides, the real science nearly always makes SciFi more interesting, IMO...in addition to making an educational investment in the viewer. The problem is that it costs things like time, effort, and caring. These were things unavailable to Abrams, K+O to put in the film because of the system for film production, so in one way the profound defects do not seem entirely their fault, even though I tend to blast them.
I have been a sci-fi fan for over half my life. And while I have frequently seen many sci-fi movies that were good, I have yet to see one that is relistic. And rightly so, as realism takes much away. In 100% realistic sci-fi, FTL is not possible, so therefore space ships won't be going anywhere. Aliens won't be human-like at all and communication likely wouldn't be possible under any circumstances. And lasers wouldn't really be considered a practical weapon.
False science is a necessity to tell a sci-fi story.
Everyone dies as well, but has no bearing on whether committing murder is justified.
Optimism exists, magical creatures do not.
My ethics require me to be as honest with children as possible. If they are old enough to question magical or supernatural myths, they deserve the truth from us, IMO.
I think this is only holds when people are ignorant of science, or any area of knowledge for that matter. We cannot care about something about which we're oblivious.
We seem to have very different ideas on whether the ability to buy a ticket for a summer action flick qualifies one as "the right person" to assess film "goodness" and "level of entertainment".
I disagree: unless science can explain what distance actually is, there is no restriction *in principle* on circumventing the intervening distance between point A and B, and excellent reasons (as seen in the double-slit experiment) to believe that distance is no more real than the apparent movement of the sun.
I agree that suspending disbelief and granting some creative license to creators is reasonable, but I also believe there is such a thing as really bad writing in films, and that based on the evidence, this film is an exceptionally fine example.
I only wish one of our self-appointed geniuses would explain how it is that the ridiculously absurd science of the Nexus, or the embarrassing inanity of the Magical de-aging planet gets a free pass, but the science featured in a reboot does not.
Never mind, just answered my own question.
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Never mind, just answered my own question.
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I like your explanation well enough, and since it is more reminiscent of "The Three Minute Universe" (a pretty good TOS novel) than of Voyager technobabble, I'll give it two thumbs up.
But, it sounds like ST Online is implying that the Iconians did it on purpose, maybe to wipe out life in the areas they are returning to so they don't have to worry with it.
I was skimming through quickly, here, and had to stop, slow down, and reread. I processed what you said as "that movie was filmed on location" the first time through.
Regardless of whether or not Praxis was just a Klingon moon, or actually a moon of Qo'noS, one thing we do know is that it was a "key energy-production" site for the Klingons that was "overmined". This, to me, heavily implies dilithium, and depending on what exactly they were doing with the dilithium there, a subspace front to an explosion might make perfect sense, actually.
I actually agree, but to play devil's advocate for a moment, how do we know that the reason Spock Prime was riding around with a ginormous ball of the stuff wasn't because that relates to a threshhold quantity of it, above which it can be moved around with fair stability, and below which it will go boom in short order?
Most aren't that stupid. But far too many are that ignorant.
Hey, I wonder if their ship could make the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs?Oh...I don´t think the sience is soooo bad.
I have an episode of an old show called "Raumpatroullie Orion" (Spacepatrol Orion) where who ever was the sience advisor (if they even had one) mixed up a supernova and a comet. In the episode they talk about a "supernova" moving towards earth and what´s really on screen is bad representation of a comet
Okay.
The Nexus gets a pass because it is magic. On the outside, it seems to obey physical laws, since its course can be adjusted by altering the gravitation pulls on it and such, but no real explanation for what is going on inside is even attempted. What Guinan tells Picard about it even takes the form of a metaphor, because either she doesn't know or can't explain it simply enough for Picard. (Which might make it really advanced science - but, any sufficiently advanced science....yada yada)
The de-aging planet is, if anything, even more magical and less explained than the Nexus. So, again, no need to apply techhead rules.
The supernova/Hobus star/Red Matter thing is much less easily handwaved because they threw a bunch of known science and Trek-science terminology at us like none of us would know what it meant or have any context. Complete and utter technobabble might have been better, since then we could have thought "Hmmm.. guess maybe they'll explain that at some later point" but the explanation they gave left many of us instead thinking "I sorta know how that works, and that sounds like bullcrap."
That's what I thought, but I'm less of an obsessive Treknologist than some of our fellows here, so I let it pass and enjoyed the movie anyway. But when I think about that part of it, I can definitely feel their pain.
Fantasy science is one thing. Grossly inaccurate real science is something else.
I will admit that I do find it a bit irritating when the fantasy science contradicts itself, so varying warp speeds aka speed of plot and inconsistent transporter capabilities can give me a headache. It must be hard for various writers to keep track of it all in an ongoing series but I would have thought they could manage it in one movie.
It shouldn't be that hard for them. It's their JOB. I did the calculations to figure out how many lightyears the slipstream drive on a Vesta-class can take the ship in an hour just yesterday (just FYI - a Vesta-class can reach the Andromeda Galaxy in approximately 32 days if it can maintain the slipstream for that long), and I'm not getting PAID for it.
It isn't like there aren't show bibles and other resources like Memory Alpha for such things. I can understand getting something wrong now and then, but the frequency at which or the magnitude at which (Delta Vega is in Vulcan's star system?!) some writers get things wrong is just laziness and bad writing.
In terms of Canon, they simply established that there is a planet close to Vulcan called Delta Vega.
Incredibly different climate and location, so obviously there are 2 planets with the same name.
Those are the facts, folks !!
Nah thats too logical.
Okay. So either that's bad writing, or, in-universe, someone in the cartography division needs to be slapped. I mean, the planet is IN Vulcan's system. T'Khasi, T'Khut... Vulcan names, ok. Vulcan, Charis... human approximations from Greek mythology, alright. But "Delta Vega"? Really?
Okay. So either that's bad writing, or, in-universe, someone in the cartography division needs to be slapped. I mean, the planet is IN Vulcan's system. T'Khasi, T'Khut... Vulcan names, ok. Vulcan, Charis... human approximations from Greek mythology, alright. But "Delta Vega"? Really?
D'Ltah V'Gah.
Okay. So either that's bad writing, or, in-universe, someone in the cartography division needs to be slapped. I mean, the planet is IN Vulcan's system. T'Khasi, T'Khut... Vulcan names, ok. Vulcan, Charis... human approximations from Greek mythology, alright. But "Delta Vega"? Really?
Why not? The universe is full of things that are named strangely.
Delta Vega might simply be an astronomical designation that stuck. For all we know, Vulcans may have an alternate name for the thing.
Okay. So either that's bad writing, or, in-universe, someone in the cartography division needs to be slapped. I mean, the planet is IN Vulcan's system. T'Khasi, T'Khut... Vulcan names, ok. Vulcan, Charis... human approximations from Greek mythology, alright. But "Delta Vega"? Really?
D'Ltah V'Gah.
Okay. So either that's bad writing, or, in-universe, someone in the cartography division needs to be slapped. I mean, the planet is IN Vulcan's system. T'Khasi, T'Khut... Vulcan names, ok. Vulcan, Charis... human approximations from Greek mythology, alright. But "Delta Vega"? Really?
D'Ltah V'Gah.
I nearly spat my Coffe at the screen reading that !!!
Whereas I did spit my coffee! Nicely done, Nerys Myk. That should should be the official spelling now.
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Actually, the Nexus has been heavily criticized over the years, even by Ron Moore and Brannon Braga themselves.
Okay. So either that's bad writing, or, in-universe, someone in the cartography division needs to be slapped. I mean, the planet is IN Vulcan's system. T'Khasi, T'Khut... Vulcan names, ok. Vulcan, Charis... human approximations from Greek mythology, alright. But "Delta Vega"? Really?
Why not? The universe is full of things that are named strangely.
Delta Vega might simply be an astronomical designation that stuck. For all we know, Vulcans may have an alternate name for the thing.
I don't have any problem Delta Vega Eridani 11756B being shortened to Delta Vega. But given that the planet is in the Vulcan system, Spock should have known that there was a Starfleet outspost. He made no effort to keep them informed, or tell them that they should send an emergency signal to Earth and every other Federation Planet. He wasted an escape pod and didn't tell the outpost what he was doing when he could have beamed Kirk to the outpost with a security escort.
They wanted a cgi monster and contrived an lengthy, unnecessary scene to shoe horn one in.
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