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It took nearly two months, but I'm finished. I finally put the money aside and purchased the remaining seasons I needed of Deep Space Nine to see the entire show from start to finish.

DS9 was the only Star Trek series that I never saw in its entirety. I was a huge fan of the other shows. and while I did see A LOT of Deep Space Nine, I hadn't seen all of it. I saw the pilot, two additional episodes from the first season, The Jem'Hadar from the second season, The Search 1 and 2, Past Tense 1 and 2, all of season four, all of season five, the first five episodes and last episode of season six, the first episode of the seventh season and the series finale. Beyond that, nothing.

So when I saw the seasons at used DVD store for real cheap, I decided it was time to get on the ball and buy the rest of the show. After all, I always intended to.

Now in the past, I admit, I judged DS9 unfairly. I couldn't stand hearing from fans how great it was and that it was the absolute best Star Trek series. There were even a few times where I said, "No, it's not a good show. It's horrible,"

Curse me! Curse me!

Anyway, in my viewing of the series, I watched it completely out of order. I mean, completely. I picked up season six. I watched that and then picked up season seven and watched that. Then, weeks later, I saw season three, followed by two, and finally one. As I said, I saw and own four and five, so they didn't need a second viewing. The best part was, even though I watched it out of order, I wasn't lost at all. I knew exactly what was going on.

What I appreciate most about the show, and I said this in a prior post, is that I love how different it is from TOS, TNG and later VOY and ENT. Firstly, setting it on a space station is a great idea. I mean, really ,when you get right down to it, what else can you REALLY do on a starship that sets it apart from The Original Series or The Next Generation? Voyager and Enterprise attempted to answer that question with varying success.

Secondly, I'm a huge fan of shows with large casts, St. Elsewhere and LOST being some good examples. The recurring characters on DS9 are just fantastic, Garak being my favorite. I love that even though he was recurring, he essentially was a main character when he was there. The same goes for Rom and Nog.

Thirdly, I noticed this very recently and that is how the series paints the Federation. In the other shows - mainly TNG and VOY, we're made to think the Federation and StarFleet are the greatest things around. DS9 decides to put a spin on that way of thinking. Many of the characters featured resent the Federation and feel that it has no place on the station. I might run the risk of being controversial, but I found it to be an allegory for how the United States is viewed by other countries today (and maybe even years before).

Some of my friends who weren't huge fans of the show felt that it lacked what TOS and TNG had in using contemporary issues to tell stories. I think I felt that way for a while, but having viewed the series now, I think it's one of the stronger Star Trek shows to actually do that. Religion and politics were the forefront of the series and while they may not have used any particular current event in religion or politics, those two things are metaphorical enough to tell a very engaging story.

Overall, I'm glad I watched it. It's been a fantastic experience.

So now that the dust has settled, I think I'm going to call it the best of the contemporary Star Trek shows.

I would even say that it's one of my favorite TV shows, period.

So, all I have to ask is, when do we hold the party to welcome the newest Niner?

:)
 
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Anyway, in my viewing of the series, I watched it completely out of order.

Welcome! :bolian:

Yup, such viewing procedures work 100% fine for the other Trek shows since they have zero story or character development and hence the episode order is completely interchangeable on those shows. But since DS9 is loaded with both story and character development, such viewing procedures will fubar your experience if you try it with DS9.

I think you've already realized that DS9 doesn't work well when watched out of order, so that's awesome. :techman:

DS9 does have a lot of bad episodes (like Past Tense 1 and 2 out of the ones you mentioned, but there are many others too), but on the whole, most of the episodes range from good to great.

The recurring characters on DS9 are indeed amazing, and usually outshine most of the main cast. Other amazing ones include Dukat, Weyoun, and Kai Winn.
 
"Past Tense" is my favorite episode of the series. Powerful storytelling, imo.

You're right, the show does have some pretty horrid ones. For instance, "House of Quark," I found insufferable, but compared to the worst of the other series such as "Shades of Grey," "These Are The Voyages...," or "Blood Fever," it doesn't seem as bad. That goes for almost any unwatchable episode of the series.
 
So, all I have to ask is, when do we hold the party to welcome the newest Niner?
It's not as simple as that, I'm afraid. First you will have to undergo a gruelling two-hour test of your knowledge of DS9 to make sure that you watched all of the show, then you have to write an eight page essay (font size: 10, font style: Times New Roman, normal margins and no pictures allowed) explaining why you like DS9 and as part of this you must describe DS9's merits over the other Star Trek series. If the circle of head Niners decides that you don't like DS9 enough, or that you express too positive an opinion about Voyager, then you will be disqualified. In this essay you are allowed to criticise one main character and two recurring characters, any more than that and you can kiss your chances of joining goodbye.

You will then enter a six-month probation period where every post you make on this or any other Star Trek board will be monitored and judged. If you don't praise DS9 enough, or you don't criticise Voyager enough, then you will not pass. During this period you will also be subject to at least three quizzes about DS9 at randomly chosen dates, you must pass all three. Inspectors will also be dispatched to your home to ensure that you have all of DS9 on DVD, and you must also have rips of at least 70% of the episodes stored on your computer or an external hard drive in case your DVDs get worn out due to being on constant rotation on your DVD player. If the inspectors find any Voyager media in your home then you will also be disqualified. (Once you finish your probation period you will be allowed to apply for a permit to rent or borrow Voyager, but only for the purposes of criticising it. This is how I managed to watch the show for my review thread last year.)

If you pass your probation period you are officially welcomed as a Niner, but only after you fill out the lengthy forms, pay the membership fee and sign up to our health insurance policy. The Niner health plan is similar to most health plans on the market today but it will also cover you for situations where your arrogance gets your beaten up by others, and you will receive therapy if you suffer a breakdown after arguing against Anwar. Once you officially are welcomed as a Niner you will receive a membership award with the official Niner seal, and you will receive a membership card which can be used in place of your official geek card. At that point you can have a party with moderate alcohol consumption. :)
 
"Past Tense" is my favorite episode of the series. Powerful storytelling, imo.

You're right, the show does have some pretty horrid ones. For instance, "House of Quark," I found insufferable, but compared to the worst of the other series such as "Shades of Grey," "These Are The Voyages...," or "Blood Fever," it doesn't seem as bad. That goes for almost any unwatchable episode of the series.
:eek: The House of Quark is a great episode. It has some of the best Quark moments ever, and seeing Quark him teach Klingons a lesson about honor was brilliant.

Quark said:
Quark: Go ahead - kill me! That is why I'm here, isn't it, to be killed? Well, here I am, so go ahead and do it. You all want me to pick up that sword and fight you, don't you? But I don't have a chance, and you know it. You only want me to put up a fight so that your precious honor will be satisfied. Well, I'm not gonna make it so easy for you.
[he kneels down] Having me fight D'Ghor is nothing more than an execution. So, if that's what you want, that's what you'll get - an execution. No honor, no glory. And when you tell your children and your grandchildren the glorious story of how you rose to power and took Grilka's house from her, I hope you remember to tell them how you heroically killed an unarmed Ferengi half your size.
:bolian:
 
So, all I have to ask is, when do we hold the party to welcome the newest Niner?
It's not as simple as that, I'm afraid. First you will have to undergo a gruelling two-hour test of your knowledge of DS9 to make sure that you watched all of the show, then you have to write an eight page essay (font size: 10, font style: Times New Roman, normal margins and no pictures allowed) explaining why you like DS9 and as part of this you must describe DS9's merits over the other Star Trek series. If the circle of head Niners decides that you don't like DS9 enough, or that you express too positive an opinion about Voyager, then you will be disqualified.
I first read that as "executed". :cardie:
 
So, all I have to ask is, when do we hold the party to welcome the newest Niner?
It's not as simple as that, I'm afraid. First you will have to undergo a gruelling two-hour test of your knowledge of DS9 to make sure that you watched all of the show, then you have to write an eight page essay (font size: 10, font style: Times New Roman, normal margins and no pictures allowed) explaining why you like DS9 and as part of this you must describe DS9's merits over the other Star Trek series. If the circle of head Niners decides that you don't like DS9 enough, or that you express too positive an opinion about Voyager, then you will be disqualified. In this essay you are allowed to criticise one main character and two recurring characters, any more than that and you can kiss your chances of joining goodbye.

You will then enter a six-month probation period where every post you make on this or any other Star Trek board will be monitored and judged. If you don't praise DS9 enough, or you don't criticise Voyager enough, then you will not pass. During this period you will also be subject to at least three quizzes about DS9 at randomly chosen dates, you must pass all three. Inspectors will also be dispatched to your home to ensure that you have all of DS9 on DVD, and you must also have rips of at least 70% of the episodes stored on your computer or an external hard drive in case your DVDs get worn out due to being on constant rotation on your DVD player. If the inspectors find any Voyager media in your home then you will also be disqualified. (Once you finish your probation period you will be allowed to apply for a permit to rent or borrow Voyager, but only for the purposes of criticising it. This is how I managed to watch the show for my review thread last year.)

If you pass your probation period you are officially welcomed as a Niner, but only after you fill out the lengthy forms, pay the membership fee and sign up to our health insurance policy. The Niner health plan is similar to most health plans on the market today but it will also cover you for situations where your arrogance gets your beaten up by others, and you will receive therapy if you suffer a breakdown after arguing against Anwar. Once you officially are welcomed as a Niner you will receive a membership award with the official Niner seal, and you will receive a membership card which can be used in place of your official geek card. At that point you can have a party with moderate alcohol consumption. :)

:guffaw:

Bravo
 
I'm glad you enjoyed the show. I'm not sure about the whole 'Niner' thing though, since I can't stand the episode that name comes from!

Oh, and Past Tense and The House of Quark are both great, Season 3 rules!
 
I would even say that it's one of my favorite TV shows, period.
I'd have to say that as well, personally. It still has flaws, but the total package remains my single favorite show.

And welcome to the Niners. I believe second base and right field are still open. :D
Yup, such viewing procedures work 100% fine for the other Trek shows since they have zero story or character development and hence the episode order is completely interchangeable on those shows. But since DS9 is loaded with both story and character development, such viewing procedures will fubar your experience if you try it with DS9.
The bolded statements are gross exaggerations, if you ask me. "Less" is not "none", and watching them out of order - while it wouldn't have the direct, "Wait, what?" consequences of watching a DS9 or Babylon 5 out of order - would still affect what one takes away from the show as a whole. And there ARE story arcs in TNG and VOY, just not as well-defined ones, and not nearly as many of them, as DS9.
The recurring characters on DS9 are indeed amazing,
Yus
and usually outshine most of the main cast.
I wouldn't go that far.
Official Niner Membership Application Process
:guffaw:
Funniest thing I've read in a while. I especially loved the line about therapy.
I'm glad you enjoyed the show. I'm not sure about the whole 'Niner' thing though, since I can't stand the episode that name comes from!

Oh, and Past Tense and The House of Quark are both great, Season 3 rules!
I agree about "Past Tense" and "House of Quark", though the differing opinions about those eps in this thread yet again show that everyone's different.

Case in point: you can't stand "Take Me Out to the Holosuite"!? :eek: Like I said... everyone's different, heh.
 
You're right, the show does have some pretty horrid ones. For instance, "House of Quark,".

Can't agree there, my friend. I find House of Quark to be an amazing episode: a very compelling character study of Quark, and featuring brilliant acting by Shimerman.
 
So, all I have to ask is, when do we hold the party to welcome the newest Niner?
It's not as simple as that, I'm afraid. First you will have to undergo a gruelling two-hour test of your knowledge of DS9 to make sure that you watched all of the show, then you have to write an eight page essay (font size: 10, font style: Times New Roman, normal margins and no pictures allowed) explaining why you like DS9 and as part of this you must describe DS9's merits over the other Star Trek series. If the circle of head Niners decides that you don't like DS9 enough, or that you express too positive an opinion about Voyager, then you will be disqualified. In this essay you are allowed to criticise one main character and two recurring characters, any more than that and you can kiss your chances of joining goodbye.

You will then enter a six-month probation period where every post you make on this or any other Star Trek board will be monitored and judged. If you don't praise DS9 enough, or you don't criticise Voyager enough, then you will not pass. During this period you will also be subject to at least three quizzes about DS9 at randomly chosen dates, you must pass all three. Inspectors will also be dispatched to your home to ensure that you have all of DS9 on DVD, and you must also have rips of at least 70% of the episodes stored on your computer or an external hard drive in case your DVDs get worn out due to being on constant rotation on your DVD player. If the inspectors find any Voyager media in your home then you will also be disqualified. (Once you finish your probation period you will be allowed to apply for a permit to rent or borrow Voyager, but only for the purposes of criticising it. This is how I managed to watch the show for my review thread last year.)

If you pass your probation period you are officially welcomed as a Niner, but only after you fill out the lengthy forms, pay the membership fee and sign up to our health insurance policy. The Niner health plan is similar to most health plans on the market today but it will also cover you for situations where your arrogance gets your beaten up by others, and you will receive therapy if you suffer a breakdown after arguing against Anwar. Once you officially are welcomed as a Niner you will receive a membership award with the official Niner seal, and you will receive a membership card which can be used in place of your official geek card. At that point you can have a party with moderate alcohol consumption. :)

:guffaw:

But oh man, that's terrific, that whole post.
 
So, all I have to ask is, when do we hold the party to welcome the newest Niner?
It's not as simple as that, I'm afraid. First you will have to undergo a gruelling two-hour test of your knowledge of DS9 to make sure that you watched all of the show, then you have to write an eight page essay (font size: 10, font style: Times New Roman, normal margins and no pictures allowed) explaining why you like DS9 and as part of this you must describe DS9's merits over the other Star Trek series. If the circle of head Niners decides that you don't like DS9 enough, or that you express too positive an opinion about Voyager, then you will be disqualified.
I first read that as "executed". :cardie:

No, no. That's if you fail the test to join the Cardassian Crew.
 
Welcome to the club Amasov! I popped in to comment on the brilliance that is theGodBen's Official Niner Membership Application Process -

So, all I have to ask is, when do we hold the party to welcome the newest Niner?
It's not as simple as that, I'm afraid. First you will have to undergo a gruelling two-hour test of your knowledge of DS9 to make sure that you watched all of the show, then you have to write an eight page essay (font size: 10, font style: Times New Roman, normal margins and no pictures allowed) explaining why you like DS9 and as part of this you must describe DS9's merits over the other Star Trek series. If the circle of head Niners decides that you don't like DS9 enough, or that you express too positive an opinion about Voyager, then you will be disqualified. In this essay you are allowed to criticise one main character and two recurring characters, any more than that and you can kiss your chances of joining goodbye.

You will then enter a six-month probation period where every post you make on this or any other Star Trek board will be monitored and judged. If you don't praise DS9 enough, or you don't criticise Voyager enough, then you will not pass. During this period you will also be subject to at least three quizzes about DS9 at randomly chosen dates, you must pass all three. Inspectors will also be dispatched to your home to ensure that you have all of DS9 on DVD, and you must also have rips of at least 70% of the episodes stored on your computer or an external hard drive in case your DVDs get worn out due to being on constant rotation on your DVD player. If the inspectors find any Voyager media in your home then you will also be disqualified. (Once you finish your probation period you will be allowed to apply for a permit to rent or borrow Voyager, but only for the purposes of criticising it. This is how I managed to watch the show for my review thread last year.)

If you pass your probation period you are officially welcomed as a Niner, but only after you fill out the lengthy forms, pay the membership fee and sign up to our health insurance policy. The Niner health plan is similar to most health plans on the market today but it will also cover you for situations where your arrogance gets your beaten up by others, and you will receive therapy if you suffer a breakdown after arguing against Anwar. Once you officially are welcomed as a Niner you will receive a membership award with the official Niner seal, and you will receive a membership card which can be used in place of your official geek card. At that point you can have a party with moderate alcohol consumption. :)

Okay, I confess, the rest I'd have no problem with (I knew all that essay writing in school would come in handy in the real world someday!) - but I own all of Voyager on DVD...

Do my lengthy 'debates' with Anwar make up for owning Voyager? Cause I could really use that therapy... :lol:
 
The Voyager issue is a controversial one amongst the head Niners, it is based out of the old rivalry from when the two shows were on the air concurrently, and since that hasn't been the case for over a decade some feel it is time to drop some of the harsher anti-Voyager sentiments from the Niner constitution. There has been some suggestions that they may remove some of these sections next year to celebrate the 10 year anniversary of Voyager finally ending, here's a list of the proposals:


  • Liberal Pinko Position: All Niners are free to enjoy and own all of the Star Trek series, but they must praise DS9 regularly and harsh criticism of the show is unacceptable.
  • Moderate Position: The ban on owning Voyager on DVD should be lifted only for those that were fans of Voyager before becoming fans of DS9. The Niner council accepts that nostalgia is playing a large part in why these people enjoy the show, after all, this is the same reasoning that all Niners use for owning season 1. Any praise for Voyager must include a line about it being based on nostalgia or a mind-altering substance.
  • Moderate-Hardline Position: Only allowed to own Voyager seasons 4 and 5 on DVD. You are allowed to compliment two castmembers from the show, Neelix is not allowed. Voyager fans must be registered on a list viewable by all Niners so that they can be shamed, and they are subject to random monitoring of their posts to ensure that they are not being too complimentary towards the show.
  • Really Hardline Position: The Voyager ban should be extended to Enterprise and possibly TNG. Anyone who currently has these shows on DVD must be publicly flogged and they must reapply for Niner membership.
 
The Niner council accepts that nostalgia is playing a large part in why these people enjoy the show, after all, this is the same reasoning that all Niners use for owning season 1.

Really? I thought Duet (and, to a lesser extent, In THe Hands of the Prophets) was the reason to own S1.
 
DS9 is so good it hurts. I almost wish I could erase my memory of DS9 and watch it all over again.
 
DS9 is so good it hurts. I almost wish I could erase my memory of DS9 and watch it all over again.

I'd almost agree! But then you pop in Let He Who is Without Sin... and think "Oh hey, it's a Worf episode and I get Jadzia in a swimsuit! How can I lose?"
 
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