So I rewatched XI for the 3rd time and I noticed something odd

[KobayashiMaru13]

Two things i noticed when i watched XI AGAIN: 1) Kirk is playing the song "Sabatoge" by the Beastie Boys in that guy's car during that stunt scene. As if the Beastie Boys would still be around and listened to at this time. 2) Uhura ordered a CARDASSIAN Sunrise at the bar. Why do they have a drink named after an alien species they have most likely not met yet?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Two things i noticed when i watched XI AGAIN: 1) Kirk is playing the song "Sabatoge" by the Beastie Boys in that guy's car during that stunt scene. As if the Beastie Boys would still be around and listened to at this time. 2) Uhura ordered a CARDASSIAN Sunrise at the bar. Why do they have a drink named after an alien species they have most likely not met yet?

1) I listened to Mozart the other day. I hope he puts out a new album. He writes some nice music.

2) There was a Cardassian poet living on Vulcan in the 22nd Century.

 

[KobayashiMaru13]

1) well, mozart was considered a genuis, and his music was monumental. The Beastie Boys... eh, while i like them, not so much.

2) canon source?

 

[BillJ]

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Iloja_of_Prim

 

[Dukhat]

1. How is it any different from the 1960's Corvette the song was heard in?

2. Iloja of Prim, from "Destiny" (DS9). Memory Alpha is your friend.

 

[Nerys Myk]

1) well, mozart was considered a genuis, and his music was monumental. The Beastie Boys... eh, while i like them, not so much.

It's music, it's old and people listen to it. Same as Beastie Boys in ST09.

 

[npsf3000]

Two things i noticed when i watched XI AGAIN: 1) Kirk is playing the song "Sabatoge" by the Beastie Boys in that guy's car during that stunt scene. As if the Beastie Boys would still be around and listened to at this time.

Next time you watch the movie would you have a look at the car?

 

[KobayashiMaru13]

yes, im aware of the car, but the fact that it has a built in "phone" hands off system means there were modifications done. and anyways, cars are different people still hold onto cars from the very beginning of the 20th century NOW, so i could see why that guy still keeps it around. he even said its an antique, and by the warning he gave Kirk, id say that, like a show car, he rarely drives it anywhere.

 

[KobayashiMaru13]

1) well, mozart was considered a genuis, and his music was monumental. The Beastie Boys... eh, while i like them, not so much.

It's music, it's old and people listen to it. Same as Beastie Boys in ST09.

but the Beastie Boys were NOT so popular (unlike Mozart) that they would be listened to TWO HUNDRED years later.

 

[Franklin]

1) well, mozart was considered a genuis, and his music was monumental. The Beastie Boys... eh, while i like them, not so much.

It's music, it's old and people listen to it. Same as Beastie Boys in ST09.

but the Beastie Boys were NOT so popular (unlike Mozart) that they would be listened to TWO HUNDRED years later.

You don't know what's going to be popular in 200 years. Maybe someone will rediscover their music and it will be wildly popular in the 23rd century.

The practical answer? The Beastie Boy's song fit the theme of the scene, and it's probably easier to pay for the use of that song than it would've been to take the time to try to write something original and "futuristic" that would've worked as well.

In a way, the Budweiser Classic that Uhura orders in the bar is harder to rationalize than the Cardassian Sunrise. And Nokia? With the classic standard ring tone? It's all just a bit of cheese for the fans. Even the best Trek has a bit of cheese. It's not to be taken too seriously.

These are such trivial things. I suppose 2001: A Space Odyssey is ruined for some of you because the space/airline is Pan Am.

 

[RealTime]

The song did pull me out of the movie (and still does) so in that sense, it didn't work. But I see the reasons why it was put in.

RT.

 

[Franklin]

The song did pull me out of the movie (and still does) so in that sense, it didn't work. But I see the reasons why it was put in.

RT.

Meh. I'm 49 and have no notion of the Beastie Boys music. I had no idea what the song was, so it didn't ruin a thing for me.

Now, the use of Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride" in FC did jar me a bit. That song would've been nearly 100 years old by 2063. Still, it fit perfectly, and the scene was very funny, so I let it pass.

 

[RealTime]

Now, the use of Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride" in FC did jar me a bit. That song would've been nearly 100 years old by 2063. Still, it fit perfectly, and the scene was very funny, so I let it pass.

That's funny, in this case the music didn't pull me out of the movie and I rather enjoyed it. Maybe it's because that time period isn't too far away from our own...or maybe it's because that song isn't so jarring as the Beastie Boys .

RT.

 

[Withers]

Doesn't the fact that the guy had a classic car mean he was a collector of things from the 20th century? Wouldn't it then stand to reason that he'd be a fan of the music of that particular era as well? If not a "fan" wouldn't it explain its presence in what was no doubt a massive play list? (My iPod has more than 10,000 songs in it.)

I'm sorry, there are legitimate faults with this movie, but I don't think either of these things are good examples. In a different forum someone pointed out something very similar about Voyager and I'll say to this what I said to that; it's going to be very hard to enjoy if things so small have your brain going to red alert (as there are much, much, bigger things that are at best unavoidable and at worst inexcusable.)



-Withers-​

 

[KobayashiMaru13]

^ True. there ARE bigger holes to nitpick about. (Such as needing a black hole device to stop a supernova that "endangered" the entire galaxy, and the fact the fact that no one on Vulcan, or on Earth RIGHT IN FRONT OF STARFLEET ACADEMY did anything about the mysterious thing laser-drilling a hole in their planet.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

1) well, mozart was considered a genuis, and his music was monumental. The Beastie Boys... eh, while i like them, not so much.

It's music, it's old and people listen to it. Same as Beastie Boys in ST09.

but the Beastie Boys were NOT so popular (unlike Mozart) that they would be listened to TWO HUNDRED years later.

And you know this how? Music and musicians fade and surge unpredicably. There are folk songs from 200 years ago that are still popular.

True. there ARE bigger holes to nitpick about. (Such as needing a black hole device to stop a supernova that "endangered" the entire galaxy, and the fact the fact that no one on Vulcan, or on Earth RIGHT IN FRONT OF STARFLEET ACADEMY did anything about the mysterious thing laser-drilling a hole in their planet.)

The black hole or the supernova aren't plot hole. Crazy, bad or unheard off science isn't a plot hole.

The movie is about the Enterprise's reaction to the threat. Scenes of the Vulcan or Earth responses would mostly be extraneous. The scenes we got show that there is a threat and its serious. Use a little imagination and assume the Earth and Vulcan response did not meet with success.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

1) well, mozart was considered a genuis, and his music was monumental. The Beastie Boys... eh, while i like them, not so much.

It's music, it's old and people listen to it. Same as Beastie Boys in ST09.

but the Beastie Boys were NOT so popular (unlike Mozart) that they would be listened to TWO HUNDRED years later.

Young Jimmy (or his uncle) has oddball and recondite taste in music.

Now, the use of Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride" in FC did jar me a bit. That song would've been nearly 100 years old by 2063.

I thought that was fine. That song strikes me as something that will stand the test of time as a classic. Beastie Boys...not so much. Zephram Cochrane is an eccentric who is likely to have eccentric tastes. Jim's uncle - seemed like a tight-ass jerk from what little we saw, and not the sort to have enough imagination to become a fan of a long-forgotten pop band from centuries past.

But there's no way to prove such assertions without recourse to a time machine.

In a way, the Budweiser Classic that Uhura orders in the bar is harder to rationalize than the Cardassian Sunrise. And Nokia? With the classic standard ring tone?

Nokia was a problem for me, but Bud, who knows? Coca-Cola has been around since the late 19th C and shows no sign of flagging in popularity. I personally hope microbrews take over beer consumption in the future. It's hard to believe in the glossy Federation paradise with everyone still gagging down Bud.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hard to predict what will suvive. Who knew that Pan-Am would no longer be a commerical carrier by 2001? Or that AT&T would fall and rise again.

 

[The Wormhole]

It does seem odd that a twelve year old punk would listen to classical music while stealing a car.

And the Cardassian poet living on Vulcan is a continuity anomaly which should be ignored. Aside from that, there is no evidence the Cardassians were known to the Federation before the 24th century.

 

[npsf3000]

yes, im aware of the car, but the fact that it has a built in "phone" hands off system means there were modifications done. and anyways, cars are different people still hold onto cars from the very beginning of the 20th century NOW, so i could see why that guy still keeps it around. he even said its an antique, and by the warning he gave Kirk, id say that, like a show car, he rarely drives it anywhere.

So who-ever had the music player installed into a 20th century car could not reasonably listen to 20th century music?

Or assuming you go by the story that it is Georges car and about to be sold off by the step-dad(deleted scenes), isn't it a rational assumption that in an act of defiance of the step dad, and in attempting to know his father more Jim likes some 20th Century Music? I myself do a lot of things that my deceased father does - one of which includes star trek (I have near 100 ST novels to the point).

And finally, as it is a Movie, it could be is simply a 21st century reference to the music Jim was listening to in the 23rd century, so that we could understand it.

Three plausible scenario's.