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TV- a new model

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The reign of the Networks is over, cable wavers between success and failure almost daily(in terms of new shows and their success) and 40-60%(depending on sources) of American homes have DVRs-which are not accounted for in ratings, more often than not, resulting in really cool shows getting the ax because "they have no viewers". Also, the suits seem bent on instant gratification(results/viewers) and many worthy shows aren't given a chance to find an audience. Based on first season performance, MASH would get cut in today's environment.

So how should the television industry restructure to keep excellent programming on the air? What might work, what could be done different, how do we avoid losing a show like, say, Pushing Daisys ?
 
For all scripted drama, make everything pay for what you watch. First three episodes are free, then you pay up for a full season. You download it, it's yours to keep forever to redownload or stream whenever you want in the latest and greatest format.

Oh, and cut seasons down to 12 or 13 episodes to reduce padding.
 
For all scripted drama, make everything pay for what you watch. First three episodes are free, then you pay up for a full season. You download it, it's yours to keep forever to redownload or stream whenever you want in the latest and greatest format.

Oh, and cut seasons down to 12 or 13 episodes to reduce padding.

In other words, the iTunes business model? I don't think it would generate enough money for the studios. And you're essentially bypassing the networks, which they won't like one bit.
 
Seems like the Showtime/HBO model, only instead of paying for the entire network you pay by the show. Which might be a nice deal for television viewers, but a bad deal for premium cable networks like Showtime and HBO looking to subsidize programs with fewer ratings.
 
For all scripted drama, make everything pay for what you watch. First three episodes are free, then you pay up for a full season. You download it, it's yours to keep forever to redownload or stream whenever you want in the latest and greatest format.

Oh, and cut seasons down to 12 or 13 episodes to reduce padding.

In other words, the iTunes business model? I don't think it would generate enough money for the studios. And you're essentially bypassing the networks, which they won't like one bit.

Well, not quite since you can't redownload or stream with iTunes.

It'll have to make enough money because that's the only way forward for quality television. Only game shows and reality garbage can go on being paid for by advertising. Advertising supported quality drama will not a sustainable business model in five to ten years time.

Yes, and a side effect might be that television actors don't make the kind of money they used to, the same way musicians don't anymore.
 
...40-60%(depending on sources) of American homes have DVRs-which are not accounted for in ratings...

Nielson is asking viewers to record their DVR viewing habits now. It remains to be seen what, if any, affect this will have though.
 
...40-60%(depending on sources) of American homes have DVRs-which are not accounted for in ratings...

Nielson is asking viewers to record their DVR viewing habits now. It remains to be seen what, if any, affect this will have though.

"Could you write down what you recorded?"

That is sooo Twen Cen. It would be more accurate if the cable companies kept track. They can see right into your DVR, tell if you played something and whether or not you finished it.
 
Doesn't all shows suffer roughly the same amount by DVR-rating?

PS I have actually no idea what DVR is, so I'm just guessing.
 
Step 1: Figure out a way to make people pay for stuff on the Internet. Everyone is getting stuck at Step 1! ;)

Hulu won't do it. It isn't set up to accommodate the volume of advertising that could take over from the network model. If it did have that volume of advertising, people would abandon it and/or find ways to skip the ads.

There's really no advantage of Hulu vs. the networks. They're both ways of delivering eyeballs to advertisers. If you could manage to do that on Hulu to a great enough degree that you can fund production, why couldn't you do that on network TV?

Here are three models that I think represent the future of TV, regardless of whether it's over the air, over cable, or over the internet:

Premium content
- The HBO/Showtime model, where you deliver content well-targeted enough at the audience that they will be willing to pay for it.

Target the luddites
- Focus on the still reasonably large population of people who don't know how to skip ads or simply don't care, and make content to appeal specifically to them. Police procedurals and reality TV fit into this category. Avoid sci fi at all costs.

DVR-proof content
- Anything topical (news, talk shows, political humor) and sports are essentially DVR proof. The idea is to create content that quickly goes stale, and must be consumed immediately.
It'll have to make enough money because that's the only way forward for quality television.
Premium and some of the basic cable networks are doing great creating quality television, so I don't see the need for HBO and Showtime to add an iTunes variation of their perfectly profitable model.

However, there's already a close approximation of an iTunes version of HBO/Showtime. It's called Netflix. For a very reasonable fee, I get DVDs of all the HBO/Showtime shows I want.
Doesn't all shows suffer roughly the same amount by DVR-rating?

No, there are huge differences. Young-skewing, trendy shows like Heroes have huge DVR numbers. Sci fi shows often have big DVR numbers. tvbythenumbers keeps track of those things.
 
Step 1: Figure out a way to make people pay for stuff on the Internet. Everyone is getting stuck at Step 1! ;)

True.

Hulu won't do it. It isn't set up to accommodate the volume of advertising that could take over from the network model. If it did have that volume of advertising, people would abandon it and/or find ways to skip the ads.

Advertising supported quality television is on its death bed. Advertising might be enough to support game shows and reality nonsense, be definitely won't be enough to keep a show like Lost on the air for much longer. That includes Hulu and any other advertising supported Internet streaming service.

There's really no advantage of Hulu vs. the networks. They're both ways of delivering eyeballs to advertisers. If you could manage to do that on Hulu to a great enough degree that you can fund production, why couldn't you do that on network TV?

Yes, there's no advantage and that's why Hulu isn't the future.

Here are three models that I think represent the future of TV, regardless of whether it's over the air, over cable, or over the internet:

Premium content
- The HBO/Showtime model, where you deliver content well-targeted enough at the audience that they will be willing to pay for it.

Yes, but I see this being on a per show basis rather than subscribing to a whole channel or group of channels, and once you've paid for it, it's yours to watch as often as you like on your TV, on your computer, on your phone, on your iPod or whatever.


Target the luddites
- Focus on the still reasonably large population of people who don't know how to skip ads or simply don't care, and make content to appeal specifically to them. Police procedurals and reality TV fit into this category. Avoid sci fi at all costs.

The cost of police shows is such that it'll be too expensive soon.


DVR-proof content
- Anything topical (news, talk shows, political humor) and sports are essentially DVR proof. The idea is to create content that quickly goes stale, and must be consumed immediately.

Well, yes, but then I already pay a premium to get Sky Sports so I can watch football live.

It'll have to make enough money because that's the only way forward for quality television.
Premium and some of the basic cable networks are doing great creating quality television, so I don't see the need for HBO and Showtime to add an iTunes variation of their perfectly profitable model.

That won't last, and doesn't give me the show to keep. It's still hit and miss. I'd be paying for shows I don't watch.

However, there's already a close approximation of an iTunes version of HBO/Showtime. It's called Netflix. For a very reasonable fee, I get DVDs of all the HBO/Showtime shows I want.

Yes, but it's a while before shows get released on DVD.

There's also the issue of pointless regional barriers. I cannot see why in this day and age I cannot pay to buy an episode of Lost within 24 hours of when it airs in the US.

(I can't even wait a couple of weeks and buy it from iTunes when it airs over here as it's chipmunked to hell.)
 
A few random things that pop out at me.

Issue #1: Consumers like things that are free. An 85-year-old grandmother can sit in her recliner in middle of nowhere, USA and watch her favorite shows on the major broadcast networks. The cost to her? $0. You can't start forcing the public to pay for TV, because everyone will go off about how people are living on fixed, limited incomes and cannot afford to pay for it.

Issue #2: There are still people who do not have access to the Internet or computers. Now, not only are you demanding that consumers pay for content that used to be free, but you're also requiring that they go out and buy hardware (a computer) and internet service in order to access this content. Again, people who are living on low, fixed incomes cannot afford this.

So right there, you're going to lose viewers. Just because Nielsen reports that a particular show averages 15 million viewers a week in primetime does NOT mean that a studio can convince 15 million consumers to pay for that content.

Issue #3: What about the networks? They'll start to lose money because they won't have the same content to air. Sticking them with reality shows, game shows, news and sporting events may not be profitable enough.

Issue #4: What happens to cable TV? What exactly are all of those channels going to air? And what about those cable networks with original programming? Will Discovery Channel stop broadcasting new series and specials? Will they have to switch over to this new delivery method? Cable networks will start losing money, too.

Issue #5: Marketing. How do you market online content successfully enough to reach a wide audience? Right now, the networks air promos for the shows they are airing. They pay for online ads, billboards, etc. If the networks are removed from the equation, then the cost to market all of this programming falls to the studios. So now they've got to recoup even more money on the investment. And will they pay to market a show on TV that isn't even available to watch on TV?

Issue #6: What happens to New Media? If consumers must pay for content in order to watch it, what the hell makes you think that they would pay to buy it on DVD or from the iTunes store? As things stand now, revenue from new media and home video sales are icing on the cake. The studios are already making money from the networks, who pay the licensing fees to air the show. Then the studio can turn around and put the same content up on iTunes and makes a little extra cash, and then sell DVDs and make more money. If consumers have to pay to own content once, they will not pay for it again.
 
A few random things that pop out at me.

Issue #1: Consumers like things that are free. An 85-year-old grandmother can sit in her recliner in middle of nowhere, USA and watch her favorite shows on the major broadcast networks. The cost to her? $0. You can't start forcing the public to pay for TV, because everyone will go off about how people are living on fixed, limited incomes and cannot afford to pay for it.

There is no "force" here. There will simply come a point where advertising can't pay for CSI: Miami anymore. It won't happen overnight, but the old system of shows being broadcast at fixed times to generate ratings so that advertising spots can be sold is one that has limited life left in it.

Advertising might still be able to pay for Deal or No Deal or Big Brother or whatever, but probably not Lost.

Issue #2: There are still people who do not have access to the Internet or computers. Now, not only are you demanding that consumers pay for content that used to be free, but you're also requiring that they go out and buy hardware (a computer) and internet service in order to access this content. Again, people who are living on low, fixed incomes cannot afford this.

I'm not demanding anything. I'm predicting the way I think things will go.

Television is not free, it costs you money every time you go to the grocery store.

So right there, you're going to lose viewers. Just because Nielsen reports that a particular show averages 15 million viewers a week in primetime does NOT mean that a studio can convince 15 million consumers to pay for that content.

Of course it won't, I never suggested that it would. As Temis says, you have to be very focused on who your audience is under such a model.

Issue #3: What about the networks? They'll start to lose money because they won't have the same content to air. Sticking them with reality shows, game shows, news and sporting events may not be profitable enough.

Issue #4: What happens to cable TV? What exactly are all of those channels going to air? And what about those cable networks with original programming? Will Discovery Channel stop broadcasting new series and specials? Will they have to switch over to this new delivery method? Cable networks will start losing money, too.

Issue #5: Marketing. How do you market online content successfully enough to reach a wide audience? Right now, the networks air promos for the shows they are airing. They pay for online ads, billboards, etc. If the networks are removed from the equation, then the cost to market all of this programming falls to the studios. So now they've got to recoup even more money on the investment. And will they pay to market a show on TV that isn't even available to watch on TV?

Issue #6: What happens to New Media? If consumers must pay for content in order to watch it, what the hell makes you think that they would pay to buy it on DVD or from the iTunes store? As things stand now, revenue from new media and home video sales are icing on the cake. The studios are already making money from the networks, who pay the licensing fees to air the show. Then the studio can turn around and put the same content up on iTunes and makes a little extra cash, and then sell DVDs and make more money. If consumers have to pay to own content once, they will not pay for it again.

The rest of these points suggest that it will be the established producers who make the switch when it won't necessarily be them. The existing networks and cable channels have no particular right to exist. They are in competition with each other and, very soon, sites like YouTube and Revision3. Even ordinary, non-video Internet use is eating in to TV ratings. Then you've got a rapidly growing chunk of your young, male audience with their oh so important disposable income who prefer to receive their entertainment from their Xbox 360.

The problem right now is that audiences for shows we like are shrinking rapidly. Heroes on NBC is losing to repeats of iCarly, Caprica's getting less than a million viewers and even Lost would be pushed if it hadn't jumped.

Why ? Because the audience for those shows isn't made up of 85 year old grandmothers. It's made up of busy young people who don't want to sit down at a specific time, don't want to sit through commercials and, worse for the networks, have Internet connections where they can get shows for free to keep via BitTorrent. DVR viewing makes no difference, even if you track it down to every last viewer, because nobody watches commercials on a DVR. Those people might as well not have bothered watching.

The television industry is in the same place as music was a few years ago. The people who consume their content the old fashioned way are getting older on average. They have to think of new ways to sell their content. And yes, that means that today it's harder for a musician to make the ridiculous sums of money they used to - so we have to listen to Lily Allen crying about having to, quite literally, sing for her supper.

A show can get 15 million viewers, but unless some of them are people with money to spend, what's the point of advertising towards them ?

A good example - Britain's most watched programme on an average week is an episode of long running soap Coronation Street. The old fashioned mind would think that this would mean that it would have the highest rates for advertising. It doesn't because the audience is made up of pensioners.

The best slot if you actually want to sell something is around 4:03pm on a Sunday afternoon on Sky Sports 1. Why ? Because that's two minutes before the biggest Premier League match of the weekend kicks off live. That'll only get about 1m viewers but they're young, male viewers who can afford expensive Sky Sports subscriptions. That's also why the ads are usually selling expensive products like cars, alcohol, electronics etc.

Removing unnecessary regional restrictions would be a big help here. If the potential audience for a show is limited to just the United States then you're telling people you don't want their money because of their passport, which is frankly moronic.

Ultimately, none of this is going to matter to me personally within a few years because there is literally nothing on the horizon I want to watch in terms of scripted drama. The ratings for everything I do watch are terrible to the point where I can't see how they stay on the air. If I'm lucky, in four years time maybe Stargate Universe will still be on the air and that's a huge stretch. By then, TV will be dead to me and I won't miss it.
 
DVR viewing makes no difference, even if you track it down to every last viewer, because nobody watches commercials on a DVR. Those people might as well not have bothered watching.-Hermiod

THIS is a very thoughtful point. Perhaps a chip could be installed that forced viewers to watch one commercial each commercial segment? I dunno, there has to be a way to make watch-when-you-want pay.
 
THIS is a very thoughtful point. Perhaps a chip could be installed that forced viewers to watch one commercial each commercial segment? I dunno, there has to be a way to make watch-when-you-want pay.

Why would TiVo agree to have this chip installed in their devices ?

Anything new I do watch in the future will be on DVD or Blu-Ray, and it's bad enough I have to sit through unskippable trailers and anti-piracy warnings on DVDs I paid for.

For me, it's a vicious circle - because I watch TV how I want to watch it, less TV is made for me and people like me (relatively intelligent, young males with a few quid in their pockets) in mind. So, the industry chases women with endless streams of shows about Mary Sue characters and older viewers with safe, predictable shows (also featuring Mary Sue characters). The result ? People like me watch even less TV and the cycle continues.
 
The problem right now is that audiences for shows we like are shrinking rapidly. Heroes on NBC is losing to repeats of iCarly, Caprica's getting less than a million viewers and even Lost would be pushed if it hadn't jumped.

Why ? Because the audience for those shows isn't made up of 85 year old grandmothers. It's made up of busy young people who don't want to sit down at a specific time, don't want to sit through commercials and, worse for the networks, have Internet connections where they can get shows for free to keep via BitTorrent. DVR viewing makes no difference, even if you track it down to every last viewer, because nobody watches commercials on a DVR. Those people might as well not have bothered watching.

The television industry is in the same place as music was a few years ago. The people who consume their content the old fashioned way are getting older on average. They have to think of new ways to sell their content.
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Ultimately, none of this is going to matter to me personally within a few years because there is literally nothing on the horizon I want to watch in terms of scripted drama. The ratings for everything I do watch are terrible to the point where I can't see how they stay on the air. If I'm lucky, in four years time maybe Stargate Universe will still be on the air and that's a huge stretch. By then, TV will be dead to me and I won't miss it.

It sounds like your major gripe is that the TV shows you like keep getting cancelled due to low ratings.

I think the biggest challenge facing the TV industry today is revolutionizing how it gathers and measures "ratings". As you said, viewership is down. But if one were to factor in DVR, iTunes, online streaming (via Hulu, ABC.com, or wherever the content is made available) and any other medium for watching content, I think the ratings for a lot of shows would jump considerably. People are still watching TV. They're just watching it with more flexibility than before. This is why studios and networks are branching out and offering more options. You can still watch your favorite shows the old fashion way, but now you can also record it for later or stream it online. More options means more potential viewers. The industry is slowly incorporating DVR metrics into their ratings reports, but online viewing needs to be factored in as well. Once a good system in place, and networks can really get an understanding of just how large their audience may be, they may not be quite so quick to cancel certain series.
 
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