Ziyal also didn't have the benefit of having her mother present to be a good role model.
Considering her only role models were the prisoners around her, and later...DUKAT...she came out very well.
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Ziyal also didn't have the benefit of having her mother present to be a good role model.
Considering her only role models were the prisoners around her, and later...DUKAT...she came out very well.
Don't forget Mr Garak and the good Major...
(If anyone's ever read prophecy and changethen I'm sure you'll remember the beautiful story where Ziyal and Jake become friends and support each other during the Dominion occupation of DS9. One of the best I think.
There was also Rugal Pa'dar of course.)
(If anyone's ever read prophecy and changethen I'm sure you'll remember the beautiful story where Ziyal and Jake become friends and support each other during the Dominion occupation of DS9. One of the best I think.
There was also Rugal Pa'dar of course.)
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I definitely remember that story, Thor.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, it also directly inspired something I did in my half of the collab I wrote with PSGarak last year. (I can PM you if you want to know what part, so we don't derail this thread.)
Ziyal also didn't have the benefit of having her mother present to be a good role model.
True... and even later, I wouldn't call Nerys the best role-model either. She didn't fit in on Bajor or Cardassia... which would be hard. I know that she would have probably wanted to cling to the family she had, but most people in her circumstance you'd think would learn to be more wary, more independant. She was the opposite (part of her charm) but also surprisingly naive given her early life, which made her make decisions that... sometimes had me looking at the screen sideways.
Kira could be quite hotheaded in her own ways, though she was certainly better than Dukat. And Garak? A role model? PLEASE.
I think maybe Ziyal's naivete is because her imprisonment also made her remain very childlike in her outlook. And her dad DID come rescue her despite everything she was being told, which I'm sure to her mind affirmed her idealism over the pessimism of the other prisoners.
(Now you have another reason why I so enjoy writing my alternate Ziyal...she gets a much better upbringing.)
I think maybe Ziyal's naivete is because her imprisonment also made her remain very childlike in her outlook. And her dad DID come rescue her despite everything she was being told, which I'm sure to her mind affirmed her idealism over the pessimism of the other prisoners.
(Now you have another reason why I so enjoy writing my alternate Ziyal...she gets a much better upbringing.)
Indeed. Although something tells me he'd agree with us. He'd be very disappointed in us if we actually thought him trustworthy and upstanding enough to serve as a role model to the young.
HAH! True, that!
And welcome to the contest, Diddle! Nice to see you settling in and enjoying yourself...you're off to a good start!
True on both counts. She must've been sheltered by her mother while enslaved to prevent her from being hardened... and held on to the hope her father would save her even when told he would kill her- he didn't... which just made it stronger.
And above is right about Garak- remember his conversation with Bashir-- that after all their time together, there was no trust, so there was hope for the naive doctor? LOL
I thought Tora Naprem died in the crash. I wonder, though, if she sheltered Ziyal BEFORE the crash to keep her from being hardened. I also imagine that Tora fed into the...shall we say...misperception of who Dukat really was.
All of this is why I SO love writing a version of Ziyal and Skrain Dukat that actually have a healthy family relationship. The only unfortunate thing is that AU Ziyal (who goes by the name Ziyal Dukat) doesn't have a loving mother present...but at least she has her father.
All of this is why I SO love writing a version of Ziyal and Skrain Dukat that actually have a healthy family relationship. The only unfortunate thing is that AU Ziyal (who goes by the name Ziyal Dukat) doesn't have a loving mother present...but at least she has her father.
^ That's my confusion-- I thought Dukat wept over her grave, which I thought was as a result of the crash, but in one of the novels, I thought there was something about Ziyal using an abrasive on her skin in the camp, and her mother healing the scratches?
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Dude killed a Vorta... nuff said.
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Well, maybe someone wrote that in a novel, but that doesn't mean that's how it happened in canon. I guess I'd interpreted that to be that she died in the crash, considering she was buried out in the open next to the ship (instead of hiding, as they would be from the Breen).
That's what I always figured too, the story recounted probably happened before and I'm mis-remembering...
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