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Meeting Shatner - What NOT to say & do

Those people named by 1001001 are certainly more friendly and accessible, but that doesn't make Shatner a dickhead. It just means that they go the extra mile. An extra mile which is not required, btw. They are there -- all paid so no one is doing it just because they love us -- for the business of a stage appearance and autograph signing. Anything else is gravy. When someone has a few thousand pictures to sign, they would understandably be about the business of getting them done. That's Shatner. But whenever I have spoken to him he has always smiled and said "thank you".

Want to talk about dickheads? Then I would offer up a young Terry Farrell, who peppered her onstage Q&A with an obviously mixed audience with vulgar language. (Though she is much better now that she has matured a bit.)

Or Jennifer Lien, who in my presence during an autograph session asked a convention staffer, "Do I have to talk to these people?"

Or Manu Intiraymi, who made homophobic remarks about Voyager's costumer and one of the other Borg child actors and sexual remarks about Jeri Ryan. He also insinuated that George Takei is an alcoholic (questioning his glass of wine at dinner every night when George remarked that he should give up smoking) and that Tim Russ is a prick womanizer simply because he dedicated a song to "all his women" on the TrekCruise in front of his wife. Borg Boy then went on in the autograph room to give me a poor-mouth story and hound me to buy a second autograph from him, greased by his stoner girlfriend's tears.

So if you consider the whole spectrum of convention guests, Shatner is right in the middle, a professional there to do a job. You can't blame an actor for not being as into the genre as we are. For many of them it is just a job, just as yours probably is to you.
 
What, are you his manager or something?

:lol:

Seriously though, I didn't call him a "dickhead". He's actually not even the worst actor I've met (that honor goes to Suzie Plakson).

I'm just saying that worrying about what you're going to say to Shatner when you meet him is pointless. He won't care.
 
I've seen Shatner four or five times and he's never been anything but gracious.

I met Shat in the 80's. He was wonderful. He opened the door of the car he was in and reached out to shake the hands of waiting fans. I've heard bad things about him over the years, but I'll remember him as gracious and friendly.
 
Or Jennifer Lien, who in my presence during an autograph session asked a convention staffer, "Do I have to talk to these people?"

In her case, though, it's because she's genuinely terrified of strangers and crowds, especially if they're noticing her.

Real rabbit-in-the-headlights stuff.

I say this as someone who inadvertently terrified her once...
 
You can't blame an actor for not being as into the genre as we are. For many of them it is just a job, just as yours probably is to you.
I don't blame an actor for not being a Trek or sci-fi fanatic. I couldn't care less if Shatner remembers the name of an episode or has ever paid attention to Star Trek since he left it. But interacting with fans is part of the professional acting gig. From where I stand, it's part of the job. You want to make your money in a profession where your success depends on millions of people wanting to watch you, then you've gotta be willing to accept what goes with that.

Plus, Shatner has made a quite deliberate attempt in his books to distance himself from the fan-hating egotistical image that he has. He's tried to come across as quite a normal, down-to-Earth guy who enjoys the fans. So that builds a certain expectation that today's Shatner is going to be approachable and friendly, even if yesterday's Shatner wasn't.

In any event -- and this is not a slight at anyone here, just a statement of my personal feelings -- I don't really understand the attraction to these celebrity interactions to begin with. I can't imagine that having the signature of an actor from a TV show I like would ever interest me. I am a film buff and dream of being a filmmaker myself, so I would find a more detailed conversation with a professional actor interesting from that standpoint. But really, truly, honestly, even though I am as big a Trek fan as they get, meeting William Shatner is really no more significant to me than meeting the mailman. He's just a guy doing a job.
 
If I did get a chance to sit down with an actor, I would be interested in knowing what he brought to the character, both as far as guidance from the production team, and what in his own training and life he brought to it. Tradecraft, kind of. The kind of actor I think I would be most interested in speaking to, though, would be one that got very immersed in his character. That doesn't mean knowing every detail, necessarily, but one who cared about what he was doing.

That said, I don't think I would feel some kind of supernatural awe about it--I would almost feel the same about it as I do when I review and interact with my fellow fanficcers...just chatting artist to artist. (My art is different, but I think there's something inherently the same in the creative/artistic mindset whether your medium is a pencil and paper, or a word processor, or your own voice and body.)
 
Everyone who has met him or know someone who has, how did it go? I'm all ears...
Don't do what I did...

A year ago, I interviewed Shatner about his comics from Bluewater Productions.

I was really nervous, and Mr. Shatner tried to put me at ease, and he asked me how I was.

And, well, I actually told him...

"If you really want to know, I'm in a lot of pain. I busted my ankle today. I was walking to McDonald's for lunch, I stepped off the curb, got clipped by a car, then stumbled and twisted the ankle I sprained when I fell down the steps at home last week."

He just went, "Oh." Then, "Have you had anyone look at the ankle yet?"

"Well, I didn't want to reschedule the interview." (I'd played phone tag with Shatner's assistant Chris in getting the interview set up, and I didn't want to go through that again.) "I can work through the pain."

Otherwise, it was a pretty good, if brief, interview. We talked some politics, some philosophy, we even talked about my favorite novel of his (Believe, about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Harry Houdini). Never talked Star Trek, though. He's a person, same as you or me.
 
Lonemagpie said:
brian said:
Or Jennifer Lien, who in my presence during an autograph session asked a convention staffer, "Do I have to talk to these people?"

In her case, though, it's because she's genuinely terrified of strangers and crowds, especially if they're noticing her.

Real rabbit-in-the-headlights stuff.

I say this as someone who inadvertently terrified her once...


That quote can be taken either of two ways:

1) She was a condescending bitch, with a pronounced sneer on the "these people" part. And I've heard/read NOTHING that would substantiate that interpretation.

2) She was new to the autographing shtick and was asking a genuine question. Did she have to talk with them--was it a required thing or optional? As in, "What do I do? If I have to talk, what am I supposed to say? The same thing each time or what?" etc. From what I've read online, it has sounded like she was a bit innocent, naive, and not wanting to offend. A nice woman intending no harm. If I'm wrong about that, well, there goes another illusion.
 
I dunno...sounds more like Lonemagpie is describing some sort of social anxiety disorder--though I could be wrong, knowing next to nothing about her (and VOY).
 
Odd for someone who hates/fears attention to become a Hollywood actress... :/

Performing on camera with people you know is probably a whole different ball of wax than actually interacting face-to-face in unscripted interactions.

I know for me--while I don't have social anxiety disorder, though I can be a bit shy sometimes--it's one thing to give a speech in front of a large audience (easy) and another, sometimes, to deal with a comment someone made face-to-face that threw me off-balance.
 
I think the interesting choice is not that she chose to be a television actress. As has been pointed out, that means only performing in front of a (relatively) small group of people, all of whom you are familiar with. What I find interesting is that she would choose to attend a convention if she had anxiety like that. Other Trek actors have confirmed that Paramount never mandated convention appearances; they were optional.

But, then again, maybe she simply felt like she owed it to the fans, or that the fans would think her ungrateful if she didn't attend...
 
She's very shy and private - anxiety isn't far off, I think - but didn't want to disappoint the fans. The two things are sadly in conflict...

Basically what I'm saying is it wouldn't be ego or snootiness or bitchiness that would be making her ask "do I have to talk to these people?"

TBH, I just felt very sorry for her having got herself in that position.
 
That quote can be taken either of two ways:

1) She was a condescending bitch, with a pronounced sneer on the "these people" part. And I've heard/read NOTHING that would substantiate that interpretation.

Yeah, definitely not that!

[2) She was new to the autographing shtick and was asking a genuine question. Did she have to talk with them--was it a required thing or optional? As in, "What do I do? If I have to talk, what am I supposed to say? The same thing each time or what?" etc. From what I've read online, it has sounded like she was a bit innocent, naive, and not wanting to offend. A nice woman intending no harm. If I'm wrong about that, well, there goes another illusion.

You're not wrong there, just understating it...
 
I met Jennifer Lien about six years ago at what I think has been her only UK appearance to date.

She was essentially a female version of Shatner. Didn't look up, speak, acknowledge anyone, and she wasn't busy. If she's agoraphobic in some way, or has anxiety problems, then I suppose it's fair play to her, and she has to be given credit for doing the appearance, but it wasn't a memorable meeting.
 
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