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A Hater Revisits nuWho

I was more wondering along the lines of what her real creative input was, if there was any. I seem to hear different things from different sources as to what it might have been. For example, she may have been the one who pushed the Rose/Doctor love story and that she didn't like old Doctor Who. Things like that. And if this producer role really was just limited to budgets and checks and balances, why isn't she staying on with Moff Hat? I've been curious recently as to what her ultimate influence on the show that went out was.

Anyway, it's nearly 8am and I'm up now, so this bodes well for having a review up by the end of today.
 
I was more wondering along the lines of what her real creative input was, if there was any. I seem to hear different things from different sources as to what it might have been. For example, she may have been the one who pushed the Rose/Doctor love story and that she didn't like old Doctor Who. Things like that. And if this producer role really was just limited to budgets and checks and balances, why isn't she staying on with Moff Hat? I've been curious recently as to what her ultimate influence on the show that went out was.

Anyway, it's nearly 8am and I'm up now, so this bodes well for having a review up by the end of today.

Well as mentioned she wasn't just working on Who - she had a larger role within BBC Wales but was heavily involved in every story in a executive producer role - she was also the one that dealt with the high ups at the BBC so sorting out budgets for the series as a whole, start times, whenever they needed a longer slot etc. She didn't dislike old Doctor Who in particular, she just didn't know it and The Writers Tale makes the odd reference of her watching and enjoying old stories plus being very behind things like bringing the Timelords back.

She didn't stay because she was offered a new job in LA.
 
Yeah, that idea about having a review done by the end of Friday and two by the end of Sunday didn't really work out. Still, I made the notes for this yesterday. Perhaps it speaks volumes about me that the most free time I could find was on St. Valentine's Day :(. Anyway, I will do my best to make them more frequent.



School Reunion (***½)

Right, so we open with Anthony Head doing his best villainous face while sinister music plays as he walks down some steps and along a corridor in a school. An ill child with no parents then apparently gets eaten by him in the Headmaster's office (though I'm not sure she could have been as chewed as the scenery from Head just then). Clearly he's the Headmaster then. Incidentally, when she says she's from the children's home and so has no parents and he says words to the effect of "no one to miss you then", imagine you're a child in a children's home tuning into Doctor Who that week. Still, not much time to dwell on that, because we see that the Doctor is a teacher. And he would be a great teacher, wouldn't he? Though this does mean the psychic paper had to be a whole CV.

The titles roll and then the Doctor attempts to teach Physics by saying "physics" over and over again and asks lots of tricky questions only one speccy stereotype kid can answer. Only this isn't about him being a nerd, but rather something clearly being up. The questions are that tricky y'see. We then see that Rose, meanwhile, is a dinner lady. Or dinner woman at least. Her and the Doctor talk a bit about how some school weirdness is up (Mickey put them onto it, somehow knowing) and how the chips are nice. And another sinister teacher comes in and behaves in a sinister way. Back in the kitchen, some strange looking barrels are being moved around (with one of the dinner ladies saying "steady" every few seconds, so you immediately know one of them will go over), and while secretly watching this Rose talks on the phone to Mickey, who seems to be a proper hacker now. Only he can't get to some specific information about recent UFO sightings because the Torchwood site puts up a silly looking "Access Denied" message that isn't very realistic. But we've got a lot of necessary information about the episode's premise in a short space of time (5 minutes), so that's very well done. Also all the kitchen staff have been replaced. Apparently by the Chuckle Brothers, because sure enough a barrel goes over and someone who gets splashed screams a lot.

In the next scene, sinister teacher #2 (I'm trying not to just call him the black one) is giving a computer class which involves a lot of children staring at green screens with spinning cubes and symbols. And then we see her. Lovely Sarah Jane. She's getting a bit of a tour from the Headmaster. The Doctor is talking with another teacher in the staff room about all the funny goings on when Head and Sarah Jane come in. Turns out she's a journalist again. The Doctor recognises her (but obviously she doesn't recognise him) and it makes for a lovely scene, especially for those of us who are fans of the old show. It also really does establish the new show as being in the same continuity as the old one, though I personally was sure of that since seeing the Cyberman's head in Dalek.

Anyway, after this we see Kenny (a child from earlier) go into a classroom and see a CGI weirdness under a desk stand up and become a teacher. Something would seem to be up in this school. The Doctor, Rose, and Mickey then go into the school at night for a nose around. They split up, and it turns out Sarah Jane is snooping around too. She comes across the Tardis and then the Doctor. Hiding the Tardis in a school that you suspect has dodgy alien goings on may not be the best idea, but there's not much time to dwell on that. They talk a bit and Sarah Jane now realises who he is, and then they catch up to Rose and Mickey. Mickey found a load of vacuum-packed yellow (plastic-looking) rats in the Maths department. Some more snoopings and they find a lot of big bat creatures hanging from the ceiling in the Head's office.

They leave and outside in Sarah's car is K9! I never thought we'd see K9 in the new show. You'd think he was everything they wouldn't want to remind you Doctor Who used to be. Slow, bulky, dated, but he is something the old show was and the new show has struggled to be: charming. You'd have thought a funny little tin dog would have no place in a slick production like New Who. But the show's all the better for him. Oh yeah, and while all this was going on, a creepy bat person was watching.

So the four of them go off to a café (all while the bat people keep watch), where Mickey has a gloat at Rose about how her silly love story with the Doctor isn't all that after all, and how he's probably had loads of companions before. Which is, of course, exactly right, and not something I'd have expected the show to acknowledge in a hurry. The Doctor has a go at fixing K9 with his screwdriver and talks with Sarah Jane about how he left her, directly referencing the end of The Hand of Fear. Giving me enough fangasms that I'm fanmoist now. Any more like this and I'll be ready for a fancigarette. On a sadder note though, Sarah Jane is upset about how the Doctor never came back for her. Which we can all understand, and feels very real. K9 then starts working again, and the Doctor gives him a sample of the dodgy barrel stuff which Rose got earlier for analysis. Of course, I'm sure he has equipment that could do that in the Tardis, but we'd all rather have K9. K9 identifies it as Krillitane oil. Another thing this episode does well is give us an interesting idea for a villain. Rather than just being bat people, the Krillitanes give themselves desirable physical characteristics from species they've conquered. And "they're doing something to the children". You just can't hear a line like that any more without thinking...whatever you're thinking.

Loading K9 back into the car, Mickey and Sarah Jane talk, and he realises that he's the New Who equivalent of the tin dog. Poor Mickey. I've really come to like Mickey now. He's far more likeable than Rose at least. Rose also asks the Doctor how many companions he's had exactly. Turns out she thought she was something special, whereas (as we all know) she isn't. This is just what I've wanted to hear from the show. None of that love story rubbish in this script (which even my favourite story up to now, The Unquiet Dead, was sadly tainted with). Well, almost none. At least there doesn't seem to be as much from the Doctor to Rose. The Doctor talks about how he doesn't age, and how hard it would be to watch people he's with grow old. Which is still better than how an RTD script would have it ("of course I love you, give me a snog" or something). After hearing the Doctor say he's a Time Lord, the one of the Krillitanes who was watching from a distance swoops down and...well, just flies past and then off again into the night.

So the next day as school opens, they go in and do things. Except Mickey, who has to wait in the car with K9. The Doctor also gives Sarah Jane his screwdriver, so she and Rose can go and see what's going on with the computers. There's a nice moment there that it's very easy to miss, where Rose thinks the Doctor's about to hand the screwdriver to her but he instead gives it to Sarah Jane. The Doctor goes off for a chat with Head (well, he's really called Finch, but...) around the swimming pool, where we discover that Head has a true human form and that he knows about the Time Lords being gone. The Doctor also threatens him a bit, without knowing the Krillitanes' plan. And while dabbling with the computers, Sarah Jane and Rose argue quite a bit and list off the monsters they've encountered. Again, nice confirmation of being the same continuity. They end up laughing though. Which is nice.

Meanwhile, Head goes to the other teachers and says it's time to do their plan, and that it will make them gods. This involves getting all the kids into class (except Kenny who doesn't go). Then all the proper human teachers get eaten, all the doors close, and then all the kids do the computer/green symbol thing from earlier. Does that mean there are as many computers as students then? I guess Blair's speech about "education, education, eduction" really was sincere. Kenny runs to the door, but it's locked, and so Mickey switches K9 on who works out that you can drive into it. The Doctor's now worked out that the Krillitane(s?) are trying to solve the "Skasis Paradigm". Apparently solving this makes whoever finds the solution into gods with the power to control all of everything. Doesn't make a lot of sense if you look into it too deeply. But the oil's been used in the children's dinners to make them more intelligent (and, presumably, more suggestible which is why Kenny who didn't eat the food didn't go in with the rest of them). Also, the reason for using the children is because they have more imagination, and that's needed to crack the thing.

Now, when discussing Children of Earth, someone mentioned that they thought it may have worked better if the drug the 456 got from the children was their imagination, or something to that effect. I've always taken this idea that children have superior imagination to adults as specious however. After all, if they were that imaginative, wouldn't they be coming up with the best fiction? But ask a child to write a story, and it's usually something along the lines of "I went to a park and threw a ball for my dog to fetch. The end." Unless they're slightly older, in which case it's "I went to the park, got smashed on some cheap cider, and mugged a pensioner." Also, if this Skasis Paradigm was such a widely known puzzle, don't you think someone would have solved it by now? And don't Krillitane children have imagination? It just doesn't stand up to that much scrutiny.

Anyway, Head comes along at this point to talk to the Doctor, and tries to tempt him with the prospect of using it for good. Personally, I'd say yes. After looking like he's thinking about it, the Doctor throws a chair at a big screen in the room with the calculating (or something) going on, and for some illogical reason that makes all the computers in that room shut off. At the same time, Mickey drives through the glass door. To come and help I suppose. Then all the human-looking Krillitanes turn into their true forms. I like them. They look cool. Impressive CGI work.

Everyone's chased into the dining hall, and they try to hold off the attacking Krillitanes by swinging chairs until K9 comes in and fires some lasers around so they can escape. His power supply for this soon runs out though. The Doctor then realises that the Krillitane oil is now toxic to the Krillitanes, because of how they keep changing their form. Which might make sense, but it's not really stated what this oil is. I mean, we know it's used to make the kids cleverer, so they manufacture it right? But then, why would they make a version that's toxic to themselves? Also, K9 identified it as Krillitane oil, so maybe it's a substance they naturally produce (hence his being able to identify it). So is it then a lucky coincidence that feeding it to children makes them clever? It isn't really making sense this stuff. Which is a shame, because up until the bit where we found out about this Skasis Paradigm, this was on course for being the best episode of New Who yet. But that then followed by this confusing plot device oil means it's taken a turn for the worse somewhat.

Then, when trying to figure out how to fight bats, Kenny sets off the fire alarm, hurting their bat-like ears. Only, it was stated earlier that they just nabbed the wings after conquering the Bessan. I suppose we'll just have to assume they took the hearing as well. Though Head said earlier he was a Krillitane in permanent human form, so why's he hurting from it too? Eh, whatever. After they've escaped, Head soon disables the alarm by pulling out a wire from the wall (I suppose that's how they work). Similarly, Mickey shuts down the computers by just pulling the plug out of the wall. One unplug disables the whole school network it seems. Also, after he unplugs it, the clever computery box sparks. Why? Meanwhile, the Doctor, Rose, Sarah Jane, and K9 are in the kitchen. The barrels of Krillitane oil are deadlock sealed, so the screwdriver won't open them. Deadlock sealed? One of them splashed out everywhere just by being knocked over. A tin opener could probably do the trick, but the zany magic screwdriver can't? This episode was going so well. Anyway, a blast from K9's laser could open one, but he's low on power. The Doctor sends away Sarah Jane and Rose, and there's a nice moment when it turns out K9 would have to stay and get destroyed to save everyone else, and the Doctor says goodbye to him. Helpfully for the budget and the plot, all the Krillitane come into the kitchen in human form so K9 can explode one of the barrels over them. Then, after enough time to let Head and K9 have some dialogue, the school blows up. I'm not definitely sure why. I presume it's due to the exploded oil barrel, but surely it should have happened immediately then? Eh, whatever. All the kids are happy and cheer Kenny, who sort of helped in a way.

With all that resolved, the episode goes back to what it did better: the Sarah Jane/Doctor stuff. The Doctor invites Sarah Jane to come with them, but she declines becase she feels too old and thinks a CBBC spin-off would be enough. There's an amusing moment when Mickey asks if he can come, clarifying he meant with the Doctor and not with Sarah Jane. The Doctor says yes, and Rose then responds to this like a total bitch. She's far more unlikeable this series than in the last one. Sarah Jane has a brief word with her, than she goes outside the Tardis with the Doctor and there's a sweet moment as she says goodbye. But then, as the Tardis dematerialises, it's revealed the Doctor rebuilt K9 for her. It's a very sweet ending.

So yes, not perfect. It could have been one of the best, but the Krillitane plot was ultimately quite weak. After all, it's easy to forget that the whole plot is resolved by Mickey pulling a plug out of a wall and all the Krillitane lining up in the same place to get splashed by magic oil which then explodes. Which is disappointing, but it's still by no means a bad episode. There's lots to enjoy, expecially for fans of the old show. Also it's fun and well paced, and this is the first time the Tenth Doctor himself really feels like the Doctor we'll come to love. And it's still the first episode of Series 2 worth a damn. Though I'm told next week's is quite good.


That zany screwdriver:
1. Blows up a spinning Christmas tree. Ho ho ho.
2. Scares off some Robot Santas. It's got itself a reputation now then.
3. Opens a great big secret door. Opens doors, closes plot holes.
4. Is used to threaten Cassandra's consciousness in Rose's body. A densely layered stupid thing is still a stupid thing.
5. Only the Doctor knows how to hold down the on button. Then it opens a smaller, unsecret door.
6. Makes a convenient ring thingy fall down.
7. It locks an old door. An old, Scottish door. Didn't have enough time to put porridge in the lock.
8. Fixes K9. But I won't begrudge it that.
 
Why's she special? She's not very bright, mistreated Mickey, and I just can't see what there is to like about her. Just because we're meant to think she is doesn't mean she is.
 
The only thing that really irked me about School Reunion was the slight rewrite of Sarah Jane's classic series relationship with the doctor.

It was treated as if they were once romantically involved, which was never the case (onscreen at least).

Other than that it was damned nice seeing her and K9 again after all these years and the story was ok.

"Kenny blew up the school!" is the classic line from this ep.
 
I'm with you on Rose. But I have a theory as to why the Doctor feels she's special and it's quite obvious, really:

So far as we know, she's his first companion since he wiped out his own people. Now that he's truly alone in the universe, a pretty girl is far more likely to worm her way into his hearts. Sucks for Martha she didn't meet him first (there again, there's the strong indication that The Doctor's penis is of like mind with John Mayer's...)

EDIT: I hate the idea that The Doctor was ever romantically involved with any of his companions. Some people point to Jo's leaving him for the hippy-dippy science guy as being evidence they were romantically involved but it seemed clear to me that Pertwee's "another one leaves the nest" (it's been well over two and a half decades since I saw the episode so I'm probably mis-quoting) was a burst of paternal melancholia.
 
I'm with you on Rose. But I have a theory as to why the Doctor feels she's special and it's quite obvious, really:

So far as we know, she's his first companion since he wiped out his own people. Now that he's truly alone in the universe, a pretty girl is far more likely to worm her way into his hearts.
Yeah. That's the rationalisation I came up with by the second of third episode back in 2005. Doesn't mean I have to like it though. It just isn't the character of the Doctor in my opinion.
 
Why's she special? She's not very bright,

You always say that but never explain why. How, exactly, is the girl who's able to think on her feet in a crisis, help the Doctor save the world multiple times, figure out how to save herself and the Doctor when he's not able to come up with anything ("World War Three"), force the Doctor to realize that he's turning psycho over the Dalek and that the Dalek can change for the better ("Dalek"), intuitively understand who can and cannot be trusted when away from the TARDIS (Captan Jack), figure out how to save the world in spite of the Doctor's interference ("The Parting of the Ways"), stand up and do everything humanly possible to stop the Sycorax when all of society is doing next to nothing ("The Christmas Invasion")... I mean, seriously, how is that not very bright?

mistreated Mickey,

Sure. And the Doctor mistreats Rose by jerking her around implying he wants a relationship but not following up, and Mickey mistreats Rose by getting passive-aggressive instead of accepting that she's dumped him, and they all mistreat Jackie by talking down to her and hiding things from her, and Jackie mistreats all of them by being a bitch. Welcome to the world of three-dimensional characterization, where people can be jerks to one-another.

The only thing that really irked me about School Reunion was the slight rewrite of Sarah Jane's classic series relationship with the doctor.

It was treated as if they were once romantically involved, which was never the case (onscreen at least).

When I first saw "School Reunion" -- long before I'd ever seen DW TOS -- the impression I got was not that they had been romantically involved, but, rather, that Sarah Jane had wanted one and been in love with the Doctor, but that he had held back. Much the same way Rose obviously wanted something more from the Doctor by that point in Series Two, yet he was still holding back.

ETA:

I hate the idea that The Doctor was ever romantically involved with any of his companions.

I, on the other hand, would lose all interest in the series if the idea of the Doctor having a romantic relationship with a companion were to be removed from the series, as what attracted me to it in the first place was the fact that it started out as a romantic comedy dressed up in a sci-fi adventure suit. The juxtaposition of the two genres, and the juxtaposition of the Doctor's characterization (this ancient, eternal creature who is nonetheless so lonely and so in need of an intimacy that can never last his lifetime) is fascinating.

Fortunately, Moffat is as responsible, or more, for exploring the Doctor's sexuality as RTD -- "The Doctor Dances" was all about his repressed love life, "The Girl in the Fireplace" was pure sap, and "Silence in the Library" makes it clear that there's a pretty major love story in his immediate future. So I doubt I'll get bored in Series Five. :)
 
Fair enough--I liked "The Girl in the Fireplace" a great deal, even though it violated my idea that Doctor is best presented as a chaste eccentric. And, truth be told, I liked his chemistry with Rose. However...

...Just as I firmly believe that Spock and Kirk are the most important people in each other's lives--true soul mates--without being physically intimate, so I believe that The Doctor can be "in love" with his companions without shagging or snogging them.
 
Fair enough--I liked "The Girl in the Fireplace" a great deal, even though it violated my idea that Doctor is best presented as a chaste eccentric. And, truth be told, I liked his chemistry with Rose. However...

...Just as I firmly believe that Spock and Kirk are the most important people in each other's lives--true soul mates--without being physically intimate, so I believe that The Doctor can be "in love" with his companions without shagging or snogging them.

Which I don't see actually reflected in the Doctor's characterization. Like the man said in Series One -- "Why do you just assume that I don't... dance?"
 
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And "they're doing something to the children". You just can't hear a line like that any more without thinking...whatever you're thinking.
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I didn't think anything at all about it until just now. Curse you!

... all the Krillitane come into the kitchen in human form so K9 can explode one of the barrels over them. Then, after enough time to let Head and K9 have some dialogue, the school blows up. I'm not definitely sure why. I presume it's due to the exploded oil barrel, but surely it should have happened immediately then? Eh, whatever....

Go back to the first scene that introduces the Killitane oil. It spills all over the dinner lady, who's then ushered screaming into the side room. The blinds go down over the window and Rose cuts the call she's sharing with Ricky, to begin dialing an emergency number. Out pops the head dinner lady to ask, "Whatcha doin?"

"Calling an ambulance," answers a concerned Rose.

"No need. She's quite all right." Rose cancels the call, but then with a whoosh, something in that room ignites. The injured woman screams and smoke billows out the door behind the head dinner lady. "It's fine. She does that."

Thus we learn that this toxic sludge going into the chips not only burns the bad guys ... but it also takes a moment or two for it to have its full, combustive effect.

Good post, overall, Bones. This is one of my favorite episodes and I was eager to see how you tackled it. I was disappointed you made no mention of the screwdriver exchange between Rose and Sarah Jane, though, when Sarah just couldn't get it to work. It's one of the reasons I believe the screwdriver is a complicated bit of tech. I did miss Rose's bit when he handed it to Sarah, though.
 
The Doctor also gives Sarah Jane his screwdriver, so she and Rose can go and see what's going on with the computers. There's a nice moment there that it's very easy to miss, where Rose thinks the Doctor's about to hand the screwdriver to her but he instead gives it to Sarah Jane.

I've seen the episode five times and I've never seen this part. Good find!
 
... all the Krillitane come into the kitchen in human form so K9 can explode one of the barrels over them. Then, after enough time to let Head and K9 have some dialogue, the school blows up. I'm not definitely sure why. I presume it's due to the exploded oil barrel, but surely it should have happened immediately then? Eh, whatever....

Go back to the first scene that introduces the Killitane oil. It spills all over the dinner lady, who's then ushered screaming into the side room. The blinds go down over the window and Rose cuts the call she's sharing with Ricky, to begin dialing an emergency number. Out pops the head dinner lady to ask, "Whatcha doin?"

"Calling an ambulance," answers a concerned Rose.

"No need. She's quite all right." Rose cancels the call, but then with a whoosh, something in that room ignites. The injured woman screams and smoke billows out the door behind the head dinner lady. "It's fine. She does that."

Thus we learn that this toxic sludge going into the chips not only burns the bad guys ... but it also takes a moment or two for it to have its full, combustive effect.
Ah, yes. Didn't really think through how the injured woman actually combusts back then. Makes more sense in the light of that. Though it's still ill-defined overall, this oil. It did seem to be whatever the plot needed: makes the children more intelligent, is instantly recognisable to K9 as Krillitane, kills them and blows up the school. And, indeed, wears off later.
Good post, overall, Bones. This is one of my favorite episodes and I was eager to see how you tackled it. I was disappointed you made no mention of the screwdriver exchange between Rose and Sarah Jane, though, when Sarah just couldn't get it to work. It's one of the reasons I believe the screwdriver is a complicated bit of tech. I did miss Rose's bit when he handed it to Sarah, though.
Wasn't sure what to say on it really. I mean, Rose has had a go on that screwdriver before, so you'd expect she'd have a better idea of what to do.

Glad you enjoyed reading it though :)
 
Bones says of Finch's offer to join the Krillitane quest for cracking the Skasis Paradigm, "Personally, I'd say yes."

I remember thinking something similar about how tempting the offer sounded. Sure, Finch wasn't the most trustworthy of partners, but it's still a tempting offer. Of course, it'd shut down the show in a hurry if the Doctor and Finch went on to become gods and reshaped the universe, so it was obvious such a radical suggestion would go unaccepted.

But think of all the good that could be done.

Would anyone else have sided with Finch?

And while we're talking about the Skasis Paradigm, I keep thinking back to the lost world of Logopolis, and the mathematicians there who held entropy at bay with their block transfer calculations. Indeed, their final solution involving the Pharos Project to manufacture permanent CVEs sure sounds like it could be a piece of the Skasis Paradigm's solution.
 
Fair enough--I liked "The Girl in the Fireplace" a great deal, even though it violated my idea that Doctor is best presented as a chaste eccentric. And, truth be told, I liked his chemistry with Rose. However...

...Just as I firmly believe that Spock and Kirk are the most important people in each other's lives--true soul mates--without being physically intimate, so I believe that The Doctor can be "in love" with his companions without shagging or snogging them.

Which I don't see actually reflected in the Doctor's characterization. Like the man said in Series One -- "Why do you just assume that I don't... dance?"

Not in this new series's Doctor, no--in these episodes, we've been presented with three Doctors, each sexier than the last (I'm extrapolating with Smith--he seems like a handsome, fun-loving sort). But the old series Doctor was decidedly more paternalistic/avuncular to his companions, female and male.

Full disclosure here: I was a full-on Whovian in 1983, when I was all of 13. I was obsessed with sex and started watching the show largely because I really admired Elizabeth Sladen and her magical bum. However, I found it refreshing that The Doctor seemed to be beyond that. I'm not 13 anymore (I am still obsessed with sex, however; I fear I may be an addict but that's a topic for another day and another forum) and I've found the way this new series handles romance rather good in execution even if I'm still resistant to the concept. (Above, I said I hated it but that is clearly too strong a word.) I've enjoyed talking it over with you, though: I've gained a new understanding of my own conflicted feelings. Thanks!
 
Fair enough--I liked "The Girl in the Fireplace" a great deal, even though it violated my idea that Doctor is best presented as a chaste eccentric. And, truth be told, I liked his chemistry with Rose. However...

...Just as I firmly believe that Spock and Kirk are the most important people in each other's lives--true soul mates--without being physically intimate, so I believe that The Doctor can be "in love" with his companions without shagging or snogging them.

Which I don't see actually reflected in the Doctor's characterization. Like the man said in Series One -- "Why do you just assume that I don't... dance?"

Not in this new series's Doctor, no--in these episodes, we've been presented with three Doctors, each sexier than the last (I'm extrapolating with Smith--he seems like a handsome, fun-loving sort). But the old series Doctor was decidedly more paternalistic/avuncular to his companions, female and male.

Oh, I dunno. The Fourth Doctor seemed awfully flirtatious with Romana to me. And the Second Doctor was really close to Jaimie McCrimmon. And then, of course, there's the simple fact that the First Doctor's first known companion was his own granddaughter.

Full disclosure here: I was a full-on Whovian in 1983, when I was all of 13. I was obsessed with sex and started watching the show largely because I really admired Elizabeth Sladen and her magical bum. However, I found it refreshing that The Doctor seemed to be beyond that.

I don't want you to feel like I'm attacking you, but I'd suggest a different understanding of sexuality. Sexuality is not something you can be "beyond," because it's not something that's bad or inferior or less sophisticated. Sexual behavior occurring outside of so-called "mating seasons" is often associated with advanced intelligence; dolphins are some of the most intelligent, and most promiscuous, animals on this planet. And romance, in particular, is a process that requires far more maturity than somebody who lacks the psychological drives of romance or sexuality can understand; there's a reason that the comparatively asexual phase in the human life cycle, childhood, is characterized by extreme immaturity.

Sexuality and romance are good things, and are signs of maturity. They can be manifested in immature ways, certainly, but they're not inherently immature things -- they're not things that you can be "beyond," because being asexual is not a superior condition.

I'm not 13 anymore (I am still obsessed with sex, however; I fear I may be an addict but that's a topic for another day and another forum) and I've found the way this new series handles romance rather good in execution even if I'm still resistant to the concept. (Above, I said I hated it but that is clearly too strong a word.) I've enjoyed talking it over with you, though: I've gained a new understanding of my own conflicted feelings. Thanks!

No problem! :bolian:
 
I was gonna bring up Romana as the one companion I could fully see the Doc romancing because she was his equal. (I assume Susan's grandmother was a Gallifreyan, if not a Time Lady.) On a recent episode of House, a genius who was miserable married a girl whose IQ was at the extreme low end of normal because she was happy. In a moment that underscored just how much of a miserable prick he was, he pointed out that the gulf between his IQ and hers was greater than the gulf between hers and a gibbon and he compared their relationship to bestiality. I kinda see any physical relationship the Doctor might have with humans in the same way only much moreso.

As far as your observations about being beyond sex are concerned: Interesting. You wouldn't happen to be Deltan, would you? Seriously, though, it is a very enlightened perspective and I will definitely give it a great deal of thought. And no, I don't feel attacked at all: indeed, it's quite likely that I'm just being too loyal to an idea I formed as a child.
 
I was gonna bring up Romana as the one companion I could fully see the Doc romancing because she was his equal. (I assume Susan's grandmother was a Gallifreyan, if not a Time Lady.) On a recent episode of House, a genius who was miserable married a girl whose IQ was at the extreme low end of normal because she was happy. In a moment that underscored just how much of a miserable prick he was, he pointed out that the gulf between his IQ and hers was greater than the gulf between hers and a gibbon and he compared their relationship to bestiality. I kinda see any physical relationship the Doctor might have with humans in the same way only much moreso.

But wasn't part of the point of that House episode that the guy who had such a high IQ was being emotionally abusive by trying to act as though he's better than somebody else just because he's more intelligent?

Isn't part of the Doctor's schtick his refusal to join in on the Time Lords' arrogance and superiority complex and willingness to accept other species as his equals?

Wasn't part of the point of "The Waters of Mars" and "The End of Time" that the Time Lords' speciesism was an incredibly dangerous thing?

As far as your observations about being beyond sex are concerned: Interesting. You wouldn't happen to be Deltan, would you?

Nope! :)

Seriously, though, it is a very enlightened perspective and I will definitely give it a great deal of thought. And no, I don't feel attacked at all: indeed, it's quite likely that I'm just being too loyal to an idea I formed as a child.

Many thanks, and I'm glad you didn't feel attacked.
 
Moffat says in last month's DWM that the reason the Doctor doesn't kiss girls on the old show isn't because the Doctor doesn't kiss girls, but because no one kisses girls on the old show!

Which is a fair point.
 
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