I don't know why I'm asking this, but why oh WHY was it so necessary for Abrams to mess with the Enterprise? WHY?
Why did he need to do it?
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Don't forget that the movie is in a different time line. The time line depicted in the earlier TV series and motion pictures didn't include a ship full of obsessed Romulans from 155 years in the future (130 years relative to Kirk's graduation) destroying the Kelvin. In the "prime" time line the Kelvin wasn't attacked and presumably operated long enough to discharge both of Kirks parents at a system, allowing James Kirk to be born on a planet. There were probably other crew members who survived in the original time time but died in the new time line.In the new time line there was plenty of time for star fleet engineering to design star ships with more powerful systems they hoped would better withstand attacks from ships like the mysterious Romulan ship that attacked the Kelvin.
He made it better. Your Enterprise is obsolete, and would look somewhat silly in a modern film. This one is bigger (MUCH bigger), has a fleet of shuttles and a whole beer brewery for an engine room. It would cut your TOS Enterprise to ribbons in a fight. Your Enterprise had it's day, but it's over now. Please get over it ASAP so the next guy in line can complain 
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Also: If people can deal with new people playing Kirk and co, why can't people cope with a new CG 'playing' the Enterprise? It's really no different.
.Also: If people can deal with new people playing Kirk and co, why can't people cope with a new CG 'playing' the Enterprise? It's really no different.
I like this ship. It's exciting!
*ducks*
*ducks*
To be sure, most of the new actors are very close matches of the originals, perhaps with the exception of Kirk himself...
...Just like most of the new ships are very close matches of what we'd expect from TOS, perhaps with the exception of the Enterprise herself.
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To put it more simply, it's an ego thing for the directors. JJ not unlike Robert Wise, wanted to write himself into the mega-property-icon know as Star Trek. Same goes for planned changes for TWOK... the director in that case however, was reigned in by the "suits". Sometimes it can work for you, or against you, as we have seen with the latest incarnation of the "Big E". (Which depends wholy where you are standing when you ask the question.)
Okay I actually had fantasies about this movie years and years before it actually came out. I wanted to see a Star Trek with an A-list cast, an A-list production design, a strong focus on character, and set during the Technicolor, art-deco years of TOS. It was so sad to me, seeing crap like Fifth Element look so good*, and Star Trek movies (Generations, Insurrection) look so poorly done and cheap. One of the other things I day dreamed about (more than ten years ago now) was a "beefed-up" Enterprise.
I wanted the original saucer as the 'hero'-ship (not the fat, bladed edge of the ENT-D or the ugly arrowhead of the E), and I wanted it attached to a secondary hull that did not look like it could just tear away at the first sharp corner. What surprises me everytime I watch TOS is just how narrow-thin the "neck" of the Enterprise was, and just how long and spindly the 'arms' were that attached the warp nacelles to the secondary hull. In my mind I wanted the ship to have the maneuverability of the Millenium Falcon, or (for a less heretical example) the Bird-of-Prey in TVH. I didn't want it to land like Voyager, but at least be able to skim the surface in some dramatic way whitout falling apart at the seams. The movie has done all that, and for that reason I'm a happy camper.
* As derivative and illogical as Fifth Element is, its still fun to watch and I do so everytime its on. In fact, I could say the same about Star Trek XI.
I wanted the original saucer as the 'hero'-ship (not the fat, bladed edge of the ENT-D or the ugly arrowhead of the E), and I wanted it attached to a secondary hull that did not look like it could just tear away at the first sharp corner. What surprises me everytime I watch TOS is just how narrow-thin the "neck" of the Enterprise was, and just how long and spindly the 'arms' were that attached the warp nacelles to the secondary hull. In my mind I wanted the ship to have the maneuverability of the Millenium Falcon, or (for a less heretical example) the Bird-of-Prey in TVH. I didn't want it to land like Voyager, but at least be able to skim the surface in some dramatic way whitout falling apart at the seams. The movie has done all that, and for that reason I'm a happy camper.
* As derivative and illogical as Fifth Element is, its still fun to watch and I do so everytime its on. In fact, I could say the same about Star Trek XI.
1. It was his perogative as director.
2. As stated above, this Enterprise evolved as a result of a tampered timeline where the Kelvin took readings of the Narada before she was destroyed. This in turn led to reverse-engineering of 24th century technology to produce the Enterprise you see in the movie.
3. And it's not like it's so different. You make it sound like the ship now looks like an X-Wing fighter or something.
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I liked the changes. I love the TOS Enterprise, the movie Enterprises. This one is just as lovely, but with the added weight and stature needed for such a powerful ship, in my opinion.
The JJprise is the "Super Deformed" version, with its steroid pumped nacelles and clunky lines.
The look of the Enterprise from the TV show wouldn't work for the big screen, that was the primary reason for the re-design for TMP to begin with.
However, the XI redesign is just horrible. And there was no need to make it so huge.
However, the XI redesign is just horrible. And there was no need to make it so huge.
Or rather, h00ge.
Even ignoring your offensive use of the number zero, that doesn't make sense. The word is huge, not hooge.
My 0ffensive 00se 0f the n00mber zer0?
D0 tell.
D0 tell.
I think the best we can hope for is that they spend some more money and develop some decent interiors for the JJprize. (I didn't care much for the "D" either, but it was redeemed by good interiors.) So now all we can do is sit and wait the for next film, and hope for better sets.
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^ I liked the Enterprise D, too. 
People keep saying that.
But WHY wouldn't it work? A slight refit of it worked FINE for several pictures. So why just a drastic reworking THIS time?
Given an appropriate detailed treatment, the TOS Big E would have been FINE.
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