Predict the decade when/if DS9's quality will ever be topped
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2010-2020. Abrams has already topped DS9's quality in terms of sci fi on TV with Lost, so I have no reason to believe he can't do the same with Trek. DS9 is not sacred text.
To quote Yoda from ESB "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future."
So I think it's hard to say if and when another very strong character driven Star Trek show might show up. In my opinon season four of Enterprise started to show some promise but by then it was too late. I think it's possible it may happen I just have no idea when since the TV landscape is composed of more junk food as opposed to a bag of grapes.
Television like comedy is really about good timing. If the right people in front and behind the camera come together and combinded with a network that isn't intent on being the enemy then it could work. As Garak once said "I live in hope"
So I think it's hard to say if and when another very strong character driven Star Trek show might show up. In my opinon season four of Enterprise started to show some promise but by then it was too late. I think it's possible it may happen I just have no idea when since the TV landscape is composed of more junk food as opposed to a bag of grapes.
Television like comedy is really about good timing. If the right people in front and behind the camera come together and combinded with a network that isn't intent on being the enemy then it could work. As Garak once said "I live in hope"
Never. Star Trek is about lens flares, explosions and shaky cameras now, not stories, drama and characters
As I said, as long as Abrams is in charge, DS9 will not be topped. I'm sorry but I've never seen what is so great about anything the guy has done.
so true. even within the star trek shows, it was second to voyager.
ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
I'm not even sure how anyone can say DS9 was the greatest of the Trek's. Sure, it became a great show towards the end once the Dominion War started, but earlier? Seasons 1-4 were so dull and unimaginative.
No doubt Voyager had its own flaws, like every show does, but at least every episode in Voyager was a 'Trek' into the unknown.
Enterprise was great to watch too: Excellent characters, strong story arc's etc.
There's no law that says that Trek must be a "Trek into the unknown." IMO, the franchise was at its best when it wasn't a trek into unknown space.
Earlier it was a great, imaginative, but different show.
I actually like season four the best, which combined the "old" with the "new" DeepSpace Nine.
The Dominion thing was already going on in a way, but there was still time to take advantage of the things that were established earlier.
You mean episodes like singing Bozo the clowns, Q dropping by to be a petty annoyace, and holodeck soap operas?
That's what I think of when I think of Voyager. Very rarely did Voyager ever do anything new, and even worse, the rehashed stuff was not even entertaining, nor was it about Trekking. Voyager would have been a great show if it was about being imaginative and Trekking into the unknown. In fact, one of Voyager's very best episodes is exactly about that: "The Void". Voyager should have been 176 episodes similar to "The Void" - then it surely would have been the best Trek show. Tragically, 99% of the series is nothing at all like "The Void." The only Trek show that was really about Trekking into the unknown was TOS. DS9 is the closest second in terms of Trekking into the unknown: it had far more originality and less-regurgitated, Trekking-irrelevant plots (which the other modern Trek shows had in spades, despite the official premises stating otherwise).
Granted, DS9 does have it's share of bad episodes, and the first 2 Seasons are not exceptional (excepting a few amazing episodes within them). I'd say though that DS9 got really good on the whole in S3 rather than S4 like you have stated.
Even though DS9's first 2 Seasons were not great on the whole, at least they implemented some character and plot development into them, which is more than can be said of any other Trek show.
As for those saying Lost beats DS9, I totaly disagree. I've watched a few episodes of Lost and all I saw was banal babbling. Never has the Sheliak quotation about human babbling been more apt than as it applies to the show Lost.
Definitely don't agree that Babylon 5 or Firefly surpassed DS9.
nuBSG certainly didn't, that's like a worse and much more vulgar version of Voyager's holodeck soap opera episodes.
I think if Firefly had continued past its one season, it could have been a rival for DS9's quality level. There was far too little of it to make a fair comparison. But I certainly would have watched another six seasons of it.
You mean episodes like singing Bozo the clowns, Q dropping by to be a petty annoyace, and holodeck soap operas?
Vic Fontaine was worse than all of that, several times over.
Yeah, well that's your problem.
It was, and it did.
What, a series about space pirates? You'll be strapped to find people who want to watch "Mad Max" in space.
TNG did it more than TOS. TOS is mainly due to the Nostalgia Factor, that's all. And they didn't like that TNG's characters were hypocrites and racists like Spock and McCoy were. DS9 was hardly original.
Not really.
Like I said, that's your problem. Firefly, B5 and Lost are light-years ahead of DS9. Firefly's characters were just as good as DS9's (in only 12 episodes!), B5 showed how an Arc show should REALLY be done, and Lost is just general all-around better.
I'll never understand the argument that DS9 wasn't a trek into the unknown. Just because TOS/TNG/VOY were a physical trek into unknown space, doesn't make DS9's trek into politics/religion (and personal trek / sociological trek) with longlasting effects doesn't make it any less of a trek.
The fact that the trek in DS9 actually shows long last consequence of action in your own backyard would actually mean you're could easily make an argument that DS9 trekked with more depth than anywhere else.
The fact that the trek in DS9 actually shows long last consequence of action in your own backyard would actually mean you're could easily make an argument that DS9 trekked with more depth than anywhere else.
Anwar
All right, all right. I'm out of here. I made my views clear anyways.
Voyager was very much a trek into the very well known, boldly going where every previous Trek show had gone before, only in a duller and less compelling way, and cowardly refusing to go into some other places where some other Trek shows (notably DS9) had gone before - i.e. into character development, continuity, complexity, or anything even remotely original or risky.
Which is why it is firmly at the bottom of my list of best Trek shows. It wasn't a bad show, but it was a decidedly mediocre one, which may be even worse in some ways.
QFT.
I think that season 2 was already very good on the whole (even with a few lame episodes, mostly mid-season, but what Trek show/season didn't have those?).
Um... you might want to watch a bit more than "a few" episodes of Lost to make a judgment. Until you do, I can't take your opinion seriously, just like I can't take anyone's judgment of a show (especially a heavily serialized series like Lost) based on "a few episodes".
That is certainly one of the strangest things I've read on these forums.
