Lost Season 6 Premiere: "LA X"

[Jax]

I still don't know whats going on but dam I love LOST I just hope the series gets the ratings it warrants for the final year. May 23rd for the series finale ??? seems such a late date to end a show in the tv season.

 

[MikeS]

I wasn't dissapointed with what they served up.

LINDELOF: Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you’re not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that the Island is submerged. What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?” So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they’ve sunken the Island. That’s our way of saying, “Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you’re not expecting.” Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren’t. Shannon’s not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don’t see. Where’s Libby? Where’s Ana Lucia? Where’s Eko? These are all the things that you’re supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the “What if?” scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we’re embracing those things.

Yes. Thanks for this, it has opened a new line of reasoning with me. The island was destroyed in the alternate timeline, hence Eko's brother never crashed on the island. Ana Lucia wasn't taken to Sydney by Christian... I don't know why, but it explains her absensce.

Am I the only one who got thinking that the alternate timeline was a way for the writers to show us that the crash had been a good thing? The crash and subsequent events redeemed all of these broken characters. In the alternate timeline Charlie ended up getting arrested for drug misuse (I liked the way they tried to tease the reveal of him in the toilet, we knew who it was ), Kate becomes a fugitive, John doesn't get his legs back, Rose will die of cancer because the island doesn't heal her, Boone didn't save Shannon, Sayid never got with Nadia etc...

 

[Jax]

My head hurts

 

[Agent Richard07]

Hurley doesn't seem to have his bad luck at all. In fact, as seen when he was waiting for a taxi in Pt 2, he seems fully vested in his fortune and making more of it. That being said, why then was he in Australia at all, since his trip to see Sam Toomey was based solely on his need to uncover the truth of the numbers and his bad luck?

How did he get the numbers in the first place? Hope we find out.

By the way, here's something I found on Lostpedia when I was looking up "Sam Toomey"...

In Stephen King's short story / TV Miniseries 'The Langoliers', a (rather obnoxious) character named Craig Toomey was among the passengers who survived passing through a Time Warp during a flight from LAX to JFK.

Source

 

[ITL]

First of all - Behold the awesome! LOST is back to melt our brains!

Brain melty 1:

1. LOSTIES don't crash because island is sunk.
2. Island is sunk because LOSTIES blowed up stuff in the past.
3. LOSTIES travelled to the past after crashing on the island.
4 .LOSTIES crashed because stuff wasn't blowed up in the past and island wasn't sunk.

So - how can the island be underwater in the same universe as non-crashing LOSTIES? If anyone says "wibbly wobbly timey wimey" they will be forever cursed and junk and stuff.

Bloody grandfather paradoxes....

 

[Klaus]

It was definitely worth moving the State of the Union for.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

That doesn't mean anything in "Lost" but seriously I don't think we are dealing with two timelines at least not in the classical sense. I think another poster said it earlier in that one timeline is what will happen and the other timeline is what has happened and via that Timeline we learn why and how the island was sunk. Then how our heros got back to the plane with no memory.

I think Juliet's comment that "It Worked" hints at it already succeeding. It suggests both events are happening (in two alternate realities, one would think).

BTW, I'm now leaning towards Christian being Not Locke. I was going back and forth, but it fits the "Had to go to a lot of trouble" line. He told Locke to move the island because he wanted Locke to die and bring the other Losties back. He (as Locke) also told Richard to tell Locke that he had to die, so it increased the odds that he'd kill himself (or Ben would kill him). I'm not positive either way, though, so I'll wait and see.

 

[LitmusDragon]

Excellent. Excellent excellent excellent.

I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but who wants to lay odds that Locke's body will be revived in much the same way that Sayid's was? It seems odd that they keep panning the camera over it, reminding us that it's still there.

At this point we are meant to assume that the spring is what revived Sayid, but what if it's some strange consequence of Jacob's death? The dead rising from the grave?

Of course this raises a whole other set of complications, like actors who have left the show. If it went in reverse chronological order of the time of their deaths, then Juliet would be next to revive, and I have the feeling she's off to work on "V" now.

Just a crazy thought.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

I haven't read all the comments in this thread yet, so maybe somebody will make a comment that changes my mind a little, but I'm sitting here this morning thinking about the show. And for some reason, it just seems so disconnected from previous seasons. Same actors, same characters, but it just feels so different to the point of me not really being all that excited about it last night. Maybe as the season wears on, I'll get more into it. Right now, I just want it to be over.

I'm with you.

Am I the only one who got thinking that the alternate timeline was a way for the writers to show us that the crash had been a good thing? The crash and subsequent events redeemed all of these broken characters. In the alternate timeline Charlie ended up getting arrested for drug misuse (I liked the way they tried to tease the reveal of him in the toilet, we knew who it was ), Kate becomes a fugitive, John doesn't get his legs back, Rose will die of cancer because the island doesn't heal her, Boone didn't save Shannon, Sayid never got with Nadia etc...

You're not alone. I was thinking that as well.

I wanted to love the ep but i didn't. *sigh*

 

[Ryan8bit]

I think people are just swept up in the frenzy that it's back and that there is lots of flash-bang coming at them. But really this is just the same formula as always, just on a more confusing level.

But the Others also kept up the sonic fence to keep Smokie out, which they wouldn't have to do if Jacob was protecting them from it.

Did they really though? I mean, the fence could be climbed over, so I'm assuming smoke could just fly over it. Plus, Ben seemed to be able to summon the smoke monster. I think the fence was just initially there to keep the hostiles away from Dharma, and the others just kept it to keep anyone else out.

 

[Hyperspace05]

Meh - Average for me... Definitely a step down from last seasons time travel goodness.

So now the plan worked and didn't work? Because we have 2 timelines... Or is it three (The (not)Locke one). Or is the LAX timeline not going to feature anymore, after showing how much better all lives turned out to be on the Island?

Color me unimpressed... We're back to the Lost of season 2-4, with just throwing crap at the screen to see what sticks. That's my impression so far anyway.

 

[Gryffindorian]

That was an excellent two-hour premiere. Now it appears an alternate timeline has been created (Juliet's Message: "It worked"). So in addition to the flashbacks and flash-forwards, we also get "flash-sideways."

It would've been interesting to see Ana Lucia, Mr. Eko, etc. on the Oceanic, too.

 

[Gryffindorian]

First of all - Behold the awesome! LOST is back to melt our brains!

Brain melty 1:

1. LOSTIES don't crash because island is sunk.
2. Island is sunk because LOSTIES blowed up stuff in the past.
3. LOSTIES travelled to the past after crashing on the island.
4 .LOSTIES crashed because stuff wasn't blowed up in the past and island wasn't sunk.

So - how can the island be underwater in the same universe as non-crashing LOSTIES? If anyone says "wibbly wobbly timey wimey" they will be forever cursed and junk and stuff.

Bloody grandfather paradoxes....

Whenever you mess with time travel, you get different, alternate timelines. At least that's how things appear to be in most sci-fi shows/movies (e.g., Star Trek 2009).

 

[Plomeek Broth]

Awesome, awesome episode.

We've now done the present, flashbacks, flashforwards, and flashsideways. The only thing left to do is flashdiagonals.

 

[Trippy]

The only thing left to do is flashdiagonals.

Don't give them any ideas

 

[ITL]

Whenever you mess with time travel, you get different, alternate timelines. At least that's how things appear to be in most sci-fi shows/movies (e.g., Star Trek 2009).

Yup, this I know

I was just pointing out the paradox that's occurred as a result of the bomb going off. Ultimately the plane crash doesn't happen because the bomb went off, but the bomb went off as a result of the LOSTIES crashing.

Yes, the event caused an alternate timeline to split off, but it's a timeline that has a sunken island and non-crashing LOSTIES. Therefore, paradox.

Not that I mind, of course. I just hope that there's more to the new timeline than it being a "What If....." situation that gets resolved eventually.

 

[Gertch]

I still don't know whats going on but dam I love LOST I just hope the series gets the ratings it warrants for the final year. May 23rd for the series finale ??? seems such a late date to end a show in the tv season.

Really? That'll be a bitter-sweet birthday for me then.


Does it seem reasonable to assume the Island Losties are about 5 months ahead in time of the no-longer Losties that landed in LAX?

 

[gh4chiefs]

Now it appears an alternate timeline has been created (Juliet's Message: "It worked").

BTW,

Exactly how would Juliet know that it worked?

 

[gh4chiefs]

Does it seem reasonable to assume the Island Losties are about 5 months ahead in time of the no-longer Losties that landed in LAX?

I thought the events of Not-Locke and Dead-Locke are taking place currently (2009), whereas the crash, and presumably the LAX Losties was 200whatever (the year LOST premiered). I'm making the assumption that this flight shown this time was back then.

My head hurts.

 

[Brent]

^ Yeah, the scene on the plane where everyone is alive and well when they go to LAX has to be Season 1 first episode of Lost, so like 2004, or 2005 or 2006 or something right.