In the fictional Clone Wars of the Star Wars Universe the Confederacy of Independent Systems or the Separatist if you will where the bad guys. Seems to me all they wanted was to escapce a Federal government that over taxed them, and was possible oppressive and corrupt. It was the same thing the United States did to the United Kingdom, and the same thing the Southern States did during the U.S. civil war. So whats the deal?
Why was the Confederacy of Independent Systems the bad guys...
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Lucas doesn't give a reason, or at least not a good enough reason.
The most that can be said for the Separatist plot device is that they were the bad guys because their movement was being manipulated by the Sith. But the Republic was being manipulated by the Sith as well, so they're both equally bad in that regard.
The most that can be said for the Separatist plot device is that they were the bad guys because their movement was being manipulated by the Sith. But the Republic was being manipulated by the Sith as well, so they're both equally bad in that regard.
Point taken on "Attack..." and "Revenge...".
However, feel free to sue the spoiler tag if you like, so as to get into your explanation and still cover specifics of the "Clone Wars" episode.
Also the CIS was dominated by a bunch of big businesses (Trade Federation, Banking Clan, Techno Union) that had no interest in freedom for the average citizen. They just wanted to rid themselves of the corruption of the Republic, to replace it with their own corrupt system, where they would be on top. That makes them eviiiiil! 
Point taken on "Attack..." and "Revenge...".
I'd also like to add that if the OP can get their hands on it, the novelization of "SITH" answers their question in much clearer (and IMO, better) detail than the film did.
Well, the simple answer would be that in any conflict, there always has to be a "bad guy" for the "good guy" to rally against. Of course, the Clone Wars, as we all know by now (or should know), ultimately turned out to be a tragic farce set up and manipulated by Palpatine/Sidious to help rid the galaxy of the Jedi and take control of large swaths of the galaxy. Actually, Palpatine's machinations would have been beautiful if not for the tragic consequences they had for the Jedi and the galaxy in general.
Bingo!
Also the CIS was dominated by a bunch of big businesses (Trade Federation, Banking Clan, Techno Union) that had no interest in freedom for the average citizen. They just wanted to rid themselves of the corruption of the Republic, to replace it with their own corrupt system, where they would be on top. That makes them eviiiiil!
The biggest problem with that reason is that it is BORING! This is supposed to be Star Wars, not a CPA convention.
Temis, are you also one of those crazy people that wasn't thrilled at the opening crawl of Episode I as it talked about taxing trade routes and endless Senate debates? Because that stuff just made me go NUTS! 
It was like C-Span, only on Star Wars! Yeah, who needs a timeless battle between the forces of good and evil? Who needs to follow the adventures of a plucky little band of freedom fighters vs. literally the Evil Empire? No I want me some trade dispute senate action! 
It was like C-Span, only on Star Wars! Yeah, who needs a timeless battle between the forces of good and evil? Who needs to follow the adventures of a plucky little band of freedom fighters vs. literally the Evil Empire? No I want me some trade dispute senate action! 
The Confederacy's leadership included and harboured war criminals like Nute Gunray; gladly participated in political assassination; and spent years illegally building up armies and weapons, including weapons of terror and mass destruction like the Death Star project, in anticipation of overthrowing the Republic--there was never any intention to peacefully sue for freedom, or of coexisting with even a dimished Republic; conquest was their goal, a war of aggression their tool. One of their first acts as a 'state' was to stage a spectacle execution--without trial, due process, or even a declaration of war--three government officials or representatives thereof whose highest crime could only have been trespassing. Like its historical counterpart, the Confederacy was an illegitimate, criminal entity from its inception, cloaking itself in rhetoric of freedom that poorly masked its underlying nefarious practices.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
None of that was in the fucking movie, so who cares?
If not for Palpatine, there probably would never have even BEEN a Confederacy.
Even if you don't think that Palpatine personally *ordered* the creation of the Confederacy (I do), then at least the corruption of the Republic - which the Confederacy was supposedly rallying against - can definitely be laid at Palpy's feet.
Even if you don't think that Palpatine personally *ordered* the creation of the Confederacy (I do), then at least the corruption of the Republic - which the Confederacy was supposedly rallying against - can definitely be laid at Palpy's feet.
Anybody who got a raw deal form the republic over the years would be eager to break away, they wouldn't necessarily be bad. I think the best comparison would be the Confederacy of southern states trying to break from the USA.
But you have a Sith lord playing both sides for fools, he is the leader of two major warring sides.
It would be liked the King of England controlling both the south and the north during the civil war.
But you have a Sith lord playing both sides for fools, he is the leader of two major warring sides.
It would be liked the King of England controlling both the south and the north during the civil war.
As to the subject of the thread itself, it seems a little thin on the sci-fi aspects. However, so long as it stays on that keep - and not on any non-sff agendas - it's cool.
OK, never disagreed with a mod before, but WTF? A thread talking about the motivation of a fictional nation in STAR WARS might not be suitable for the science fiction and fantasy thread?
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The CIS thought it would be easy to strong arm the Republic, which lacked a military, with armies of droids. Of course, they were suckered because of the secret clone army. At the same time, that proved the Republic was corrupt because they had a secret army created to stop any dissention.
The real stupidity is why Gunray would trust Sidious after Episode 1. Assuming Gunray got off with a slap on the wrist, even then he was humiliated following a scheme Sidious masterminded (?), and the sith apprentice sent to take care of things, Maul, proved to be a failure.
In Episode 2 Dooku said Gunray went to him for help, but then it becomes clear that was a lie and Gunray was still knowingly conspiring with a hooded hologram that never gained him anything.
But he was a stupid character, probably the most worthless villain in the films.
The real stupidity is why Gunray would trust Sidious after Episode 1. Assuming Gunray got off with a slap on the wrist, even then he was humiliated following a scheme Sidious masterminded (?), and the sith apprentice sent to take care of things, Maul, proved to be a failure.
In Episode 2 Dooku said Gunray went to him for help, but then it becomes clear that was a lie and Gunray was still knowingly conspiring with a hooded hologram that never gained him anything.
But he was a stupid character, probably the most worthless villain in the films.
I think next to Jar Jar, Gunray needed lightsabre therapy the most, which he got by Darth Vader.
Uh, all of it was in the fucking movie. This is purely what was onscreen.
So much for the thin hope that this thread wasn't a thinly-veiled attempt at neo-Confederate apologetics. Don't forget your hoodies, boys.
EDIT: Deleted image because link/host site had porn adverts. Dammit.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
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