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DC and Marvel merged

Would Superman see The Punisher as a criminal I wonder???

Hell, yes. The Punisher is a serial killer with an excuse. Guy belongs in Arkham with the rest of the violent maniacs. (Well, maybe not Arkham, because he'd break out in, like, five seconds...)

Actually I would think Frank would stick around a little longer so he could take out a shitload of Gotham's super villians, remember most of them end up in Arkham so their all in one place :evil:
 
Christopher said:
I'd say that since SHIELD has existed for a long time and Nick Fury is in his 90s, General Rock would be an old pal of his as well as SHIELD's American liason (since it's a UN organization).

This is one of the main problems with a merger of the universes -- too many of their characters and organizations pretty much duplicate each other. Sometimes directly and intentionally. For instance, the Shi'ar Imperial Guard is a direct pastiche of the Legion of Super Heroes. If they were one and the same universe, some things would have to give. Some agencies, some heroes, some villains, some publications, some cities just wouldn't exist, and the characters would be mixed and matched in the organizations and teams that did exist.
Well something would have to give. Though Suicide Squad and Checkmate could be American organization and SHIELD International (wish writers would remember that) so the occasional turf war could flare up.

LSH is more important so the Guard gets the dustbin. Return Aquaman to being a non-Atlantean and let Sub-Mariner be the hybrid.
 
Well, maybe Spidey joins the Teen Titans when they first form and is a member of the present day Titans as a result? Him and Robin/Nightwing would get along easy, since Stan Lee said that Spider-Man's personality was based on the wisecracking teen sidekick seen in Captain America and Batman.
Except Spidey isn't in the original Teen Titans' age cohort. He's about four years older than Dick Grayson, thirty at a floor, thirty-five at max. (This is why Joe Q's dickery was so misguided.) He was already well into college when the Teen Titans were still in high school.

It's just that Gotham and Metropolis both seem to be NYC, and since Marvel uses mostly real world locations for the American heroes they may as well have them exist in real cities for the DC ones to.
Well, Smallville has retconned Metropolis into a city in Kansas.
Interestingly, I found out from Kurt Busiek a few years ago that Smallville was, until the Christopher Reeve fixed its location in the midwest, located on Maryland's Eastern Shore. Specifically, Kent County.

Christopher said:
Hey, yeah, that's the big question: which DC characters would've been on which side in Civil War?
Pro-Registration:
  • Superman
  • Hal Jordan
  • John Stewart
  • Nightwing
  • Wonder Woman
  • The Flash
  • Captain Marvel

Anti-Registration:
  • Batman
  • Oliver Queen
  • Guy Gardner
  • Kyle Rayner
  • Hawkman

I'll have to think on this some more.
 
Christopher said:
Hey, yeah, that's the big question: which DC characters would've been on which side in Civil War?
Pro-Registration:
  • Superman
  • Hal Jordan
  • John Stewart
  • Nightwing
  • Wonder Woman
  • The Flash
  • Captain Marvel

Anti-Registration:
  • Batman
  • Oliver Queen
  • Guy Gardner
  • Kyle Rayner
  • Hawkman

I'll have to think on this some more.

I'm not sure I agree with Superman being pro-registration. He's basically a lot like Captain America in his values, and he certainly has good reason to sympathize with those who wish to preserve their secret identities. I mean, heck, metatextually, Clark Kent is the poster boy for the whole concept of secret identities. And I can't really see him deciding that it's right to force Batman to unmask; that would be a death sentence for Bruce and everyone he cares for.

As for the others, I don't know most of the comics versions well enough to say, but I agree about Hal and Diana being pro-reg. (And which of the numerous Flashes do you mean?)

Of course, if Superman had come down on the anti-registration side, it would've given them a whole lot more clout, both physically and politically. Although Diana on the pro-reg side would balance that out.
 
Allyn Gibson said:
Except Spidey isn't in the original Teen Titans' age cohort. He's about four years older than Dick Grayson, thirty at a floor, thirty-five at max. (This is why Joe Q's dickery was so misguided.) He was already well into college when the Teen Titans were still in high school.
Hard to say given the way comic book characters "age'. Peter entered college in an issue published 1965 and Dick entered college in an issue published in 1969. Given comic book time they could have entered at the same time or a semester apart or years apart.
 
Given Marvel's sliding timescale and how many times DC has rebooted its continuity from scratch, it's pretty much impossible to judge the timing of anything based on events in decades-old comics. All we can go by is what's assumed today about how old the characters are and how long ago things happened. For instance, in Peter David's Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man run a couple of years back, there was a story that flashed back to shortly after Spidey's debut and established that one of his classmates had a blog, which was actually called a blog by name in the story. That puts Spidey's origin no earlier than 1999, when the term "blog" was coined. And this issue came out in 2006. So either PAD was using the term "blog" anachronistically, or he was assuming Spidey was only about 22 in the series "present."
 
Amalgam Comics actually did a short storyline where sets of characters from both universes were merged into one. Batman + Wolverine = Dark Claw, Jubilee + Robin = Sparrow etc.

Link.
 
Christopher said:
I'd say that since SHIELD has existed for a long time and Nick Fury is in his 90s, General Rock would be an old pal of his as well as SHIELD's American liason (since it's a UN organization).

This is one of the main problems with a merger of the universes -- too many of their characters and organizations pretty much duplicate each other. Sometimes directly and intentionally. For instance, the Shi'ar Imperial Guard is a direct pastiche of the Legion of Super Heroes. If they were one and the same universe, some things would have to give. Some agencies, some heroes, some villains, some publications, some cities just wouldn't exist, and the characters would be mixed and matched in the organizations and teams that did exist.
Well something would have to give. Though Suicide Squad and Checkmate could be American organization and SHIELD International (wish writers would remember that) so the occasional turf war could flare up.

LSH is more important so the Guard gets the dustbin. Return Aquaman to being a non-Atlantean and let Sub-Mariner be the hybrid.

No need for that. DCU Atlantis already has two or more cities to explain Mer-people like Lori Lemaris, and MU Atlanteans have been scattered several times throughout their history.

I have one in my gut, but I can't back it up directly : I firmly believe Superman would never tolerate the Sentinels, and Batman might be with him, given how frequently they turn or are turned against their creators.

What else? The Guardians Of The Galaxy fought against the Badoon and Dominators in the 30th Century, and helped create the Golden Age enjoyed by the Legion in the 31st, kind of an ENT-TOS relationship.

Alternate Earths would have to include the one from Batman/Captain America (Byrne's best ever, and maybe the best comic book period) wherein the Bat-Sub found Steve Rogers frozen in 1964.

Galactus is reduced in one respect--there are so many worlds in the combine that the loss of one is almost regarded as a village might for seasonal flooding. But to the GOTU, he is magnified to a huge degree, for he witnessed the birth of the universe, and that knowledge is deadly.

One last thought for now : The long-running and vicious rivalry between Vandar Agd--Vandal Savage and En Sabah Nur - Apocalypse. Maybe even have Savage, under one of his countless names, be the tribal chief who took in young En Sabah Nur. He also managed to cop some of the Celestial and Kang-Rama-Tut tech for his rise.
 
Next question (one I already obliquely hinted at): Let's say Superman and Captain America get together and decide to form a Justice League of seven members. Who are the other five?
 
Next question (one I already obliquely hinted at): Let's say Superman and Captain America get together and decide to form a Justice League of seven members. Who are the other five?


Off the top of my head, how 'bout:

Wonder Woman
Iron Man
Green Lantern
Thor
Flash

League of Avengers?
Avengers of Justice?
 
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^ Depends on which Supergirl Aragorn was referencing. There have been many in the comics. For example, there was the Matrix and Linda Danvers before Kara was re-introduced in the comics.
 
I'm not sure I agree with Superman being pro-registration. He's basically a lot like Captain America in his values, and he certainly has good reason to sympathize with those who wish to preserve their secret identities. I mean, heck, metatextually, Clark Kent is the poster boy for the whole concept of secret identities. And I can't really see him deciding that it's right to force Batman to unmask; that would be a death sentence for Bruce and everyone he cares for.

Not to mention at one time his nemesis Lex Luthor was President of the Unites States, and if such a law had existed then Lex would know the identities of a bunch of Superheros when he went back to being a supervillian. Add to that the Red Skull geting a high ranking U.S. government position at one time and it's hard to trust the government with that type of information if it can possibly get into the hands of supervillans.

Pro-Registration:
  • Superman
  • Hal Jordan
  • John Stewart
  • Nightwing
  • Wonder Woman
  • The Flash
  • Captain Marvel

Anti-Registration:
  • Batman
  • Oliver Queen
  • Guy Gardner
  • Kyle Rayner
  • Hawkman

Well if the Anti-Registration side has Batman then the Pro-Registration side is screwed since Batman knows the weaknesses of pretty much every superhero on the planet.
 
Well if the Anti-Registration side has Batman then the Pro-Registration side is screwed since Batman knows the weaknesses of pretty much every superhero on the planet.

Yeah, but the pro-regs would likely have enough material on Batman to take him down with them or simply counter his weakness exploitations (seriously, if Ra's Al Ghul and such can take him down then it can't be that hard for guys like Reed Richards, Tony Stark or Nick Fury).

Seriously, this Batman Marty Stu stuff really gets annoying after awhile. One thing the merged world would do is increase the number of guys at least as smart as him.

Also, as we saw in "Infinite Crisis", Superman was willing to reveal his own ID to the government when McCarthy was doing his witch-hunt so there is some precedence for him willing to make superheroes accountable.

And besides, I think to Diana and Clark they wouldn't be against the idea of superbeings actually being held accountable for the damage they cause and other stuff.

Hell, Superman himself may be slightly less admired this time around by everyone. Things like Secret Invasion would make the populace less enamored of aliens, especially ones that look just like humans already.

Would Magneto use metahumans as further proof of how beings like mutants are destined to eventually be the new humanity?

The High Evolutionary, love to see how HE'D react to this whole thing.

The Legion of Super-Heroes, well maybe the Shi'Ar Skrulls and Kree are in place of the Khunds in the future.
 
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I don't know much about comics since I quit reading them in the Seventies some time. But it seems to me that we already know pretty much what a DC/Marvel joint universe would be like. There are so many superheroes and supervillains that it would be like that Alan Moore Top Ten series, where everyone in the city has superpowers of some sort or other!
 
And besides, he's not a peeping tom. I doubt he'd go around x-raying every superhero.

Probably Wonder Woman. Maybe Supergirl. :)

Kara is his cousin for god's sake!

:)

^ Depends on which Supergirl Aragorn was referencing. There have been many in the comics. For example, there was the Matrix and Linda Danvers before Kara was re-introduced in the comics.

No, I knew which Supergirl I was referring to. :p

Come on! This is the message board where Smallville viewers wondered if Clark and Kara should hookup since they're both Kryptonians and can't hurt each other during sex.
 
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