Military Tribunal or Criminal Court?

[Crash]

Strangely the same thing can be said about the people that commit these terrorist attacks. so basically what you have is two sides of the same coins, each one ensconced in their belief that their "justice" is right.

Yup, it's one of the most disheartening things you can come across in this country. I don't even think they see the similarity, nor the actual damage they're doing to our system og governance. I mean, what bothers me the most is they don't believe basic human rights extend beyond the border, and if that's true then basic human rights don't exist except through the entities of society and government. That makes them a lot easier to either change or outright ignore even when dealing with your fellow citizens.

 

[SeerSGB]

Strangely the same thing can be said about the people that commit these terrorist attacks. so basically what you have is two sides of the same coins, each one ensconced in their belief that their "justice" is right.

Yup, it's one of the most disheartening things you can come across in this country. I don't even think they see the similarity, nor the actual damage they're doing to our system og governance. I mean, what bothers me the most is they don't believe basic human rights extend beyond the border, and if that's true then basic human rights don't exist except through the entities of society and government. That makes them a lot easier to either change or outright ignore even when dealing with your fellow citizens.

We're supposed to be better than these guys. We're supposed to be the civilizard society fighting against basbarians and monsters. Yet some would have us become the barbarians and monsters-- destroying what we are supposed to be-- in the name of "justice".

So rather than prove that we are not what they claim to the rest of the world that we are, they [those looking for "justice"] would have us become what we're accused of being and in turn prove to the enemy that what they say is right and to the rest of the world that what they say is true.

 

[ST-One]

If we were actually dealing with American citizens, I could see that. But these are foreign nationals engaging in paramilitary operations; laws governing prisoners of war are applicable instead.

With which country is your nation at war?

 

[Friendly Angel]

Military tribunal. If the suspect says anything close to jihad, they are declaring war against us, so the tribunal is the only real option.

 

[ST-One]

Military tribunal. If the suspect says anything close to jihad, they are declaring war against us, so the tribunal is the only real option.

Individual persons can now declare war upon you?

Wow

and

 

[Misfit Toy]

Military tribunal. If the suspect says anything close to jihad, they are declaring war against us, so the tribunal is the only real option.

No, it isn't.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Military tribunal. If the suspect says anything close to jihad, they are declaring war against us, so the tribunal is the only real option.

Individual persons can now declare war upon you?

Wow

and

This was an idea advanced by a defunct Presidential administration, and it scared some people so shitless that they were willing to throw all our values overboard.

 

[SeerSGB]

Military tribunal. If the suspect says anything close to jihad, they are declaring war against us, so the tribunal is the only real option.

Individual persons can now declare war upon you?

Wow

and

This was an idea advanced by a defunct Presidential administration, and it scared some people so shitless that they were willing to throw all our values overboard.

And remember, when you make these kind of exceptions, you open up the door for you or others that think like you do to end up an "enemy combatant not subject to criminal law protections and rights."

 

[sidious618]

I sure as hell don't want to pay for a lifetime of jail.

Death penalty would be more expensive that life in prison. This has been explained again and again in threads concerning the death penalty.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

They're unlawful combatants.

No miranda, and court by military tribunal.

While accurate, that's an extremely superficial answer. Do you think any military tribunal is OK? If they aren't unlawful combatants, is a tribunal acceptable? Should there be some kind of hearing/trial to establish that a tribunal is the appropriate venue? There's a lot you left open with your answer, so it doesn't effectively deal with the ramifications of your choice.

 

[Gertch]

I sure as hell don't want to pay for a lifetime of jail.

Death penalty would be more expensive that life in prison. This has been explained again and again in threads concerning the death penalty.

And again and again the rules can be changed. What's one bullet cost right after a verdict is read and the guilty is led to the courtyard out back?

 

[SeerSGB]

I sure as hell don't want to pay for a lifetime of jail.

Death penalty would be more expensive that life in prison. This has been explained again and again in threads concerning the death penalty.

And again and again the rules can be changed. What's one bullet cost right after a verdict is read and the guilty is led to the courtyard out back?

And how is this any different than such "justice" under people like Sadamm Hussein or the Islamic extermist that we seek to condemn for being primitive barbarians?

At what point did "justice" mean surrendering to our baser natures and becoming the monsters we seek to defeat?

 

[ST-One]

I sure as hell don't want to pay for a lifetime of jail.

Death penalty would be more expensive that life in prison. This has been explained again and again in threads concerning the death penalty.

And again and again the rules can be changed. What's one bullet cost right after a verdict is read and the guilty is led to the courtyard out back?

And what if it turns out the verdict was based and an innocent person was shot?

 

[iguana_tonante]

Criminal court. The whole idea of treating them like soldiers is fucking stupid, and offensive to actual soldiers in my opinion. They are criminal, and should be tried as such.

Individual persons can now declare war upon you?

Wow

and

And remember, when you make these kind of exceptions, you open up the door for you or others that think like you do to end up an "enemy combatant not subject to criminal law protections and rights."

Yeah, by that reasoning any criminal with a political agenda could be open for military trial. Libertarian wacko? Military trial. Abortion doctor murderer? Military trial. Drug dealer? Well, there is a "war on drugs"... Etc etc.

 

[Gertch]

Death penalty would be more expensive that life in prison. This has been explained again and again in threads concerning the death penalty.

And again and again the rules can be changed. What's one bullet cost right after a verdict is read and the guilty is led to the courtyard out back?

And how is this any different than such "justice" under people like Sadamm Hussein or the Islamic extermist that we seek to condemn for being primitive barbarians?

At what point did "justice" mean surrendering to our baser natures and becoming the monsters we seek to defeat?

What the hell are you talking about? I said after a verdict is read. Does that not imply a trial?

 

[Deranged Nasat]

And again and again the rules can be changed. What's one bullet cost right after a verdict is read and the guilty is led to the courtyard out back?

And how is this any different than such "justice" under people like Sadamm Hussein or the Islamic extermist that we seek to condemn for being primitive barbarians?

At what point did "justice" mean surrendering to our baser natures and becoming the monsters we seek to defeat?

What the hell are you talking about? I said after a verdict is read. Does that not imply a trial?

Given the attitudes towards crime, justice and law you've been promoting; no. It does not necessarily imply anything other than "they are the enemy. Kill the bastards".

 

[Gertch]

And how is this any different than such "justice" under people like Sadamm Hussein or the Islamic extermist that we seek to condemn for being primitive barbarians?

At what point did "justice" mean surrendering to our baser natures and becoming the monsters we seek to defeat?

What the hell are you talking about? I said after a verdict is read. Does that not imply a trial?

Given the attitudes towards crime, justice and law you've been promoting; no. It does not necessarily imply anything other than "they are the enemy. Kill the bastards".

Then you're putting your own bias on my words.

 

[ST-One]

What the hell are you talking about? I said after a verdict is read. Does that not imply a trial?

Given the attitudes towards crime, justice and law you've been promoting; no. It does not necessarily imply anything other than "they are the enemy. Kill the bastards".

Then you're putting your own bias on my words.

But you ARE in favour of putting civilians before a military tribunal, right?

 

[SeerSGB]

And again and again the rules can be changed. What's one bullet cost right after a verdict is read and the guilty is led to the courtyard out back?

And how is this any different than such "justice" under people like Sadamm Hussein or the Islamic extermist that we seek to condemn for being primitive barbarians?

At what point did "justice" mean surrendering to our baser natures and becoming the monsters we seek to defeat?

What the hell are you talking about? I said after a verdict is read. Does that not imply a trial?

Hussein had "trials" too, so does places like Iran. Trial and verdict does not necessarily stop gaps to any sort of abuse or error. After all, life in prison and innocent man still has his life and can't the hope of being free one day when the error is caught. A bullet to the back of the head, and innocent man is dead.

 

[sidious618]

I sure as hell don't want to pay for a lifetime of jail.

Death penalty would be more expensive that life in prison. This has been explained again and again in threads concerning the death penalty.

And again and again the rules can be changed. What's one bullet cost right after a verdict is read and the guilty is led to the courtyard out back?

The smile doesn't make that sound any less evil.