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Keys of Marinus - the first Doctor Who dud?

23skidoo

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I just finished watching the DVD of The Key to Marinus, which was the fifth storyline from the first season of Doctor Who, and I didn't actually care for it that much. I felt it was too ambitious a story for a studio-bound show, for one thing, plus the storyline, the script -- except for the second last episode and the first half of the finale I found it really boring. I couldn't believe this was written by Terry Nation!

(Spoilers follow)

The good:
- Great performance by William Hartnell in the last 2 episodes. During production he took a 2 week holiday (so he was not seen in 2 episodes) and he came back refreshed and this showed in his performances. After failing to overturn Ian's murder conviction, there's a moment where a defeated and downbeat Doctor is sitting in a waiting room that is just as good as anything we saw during Tennant's era.
- George Coulouris, a veteran of Orson Welles' Mercury Theatre and Citizen Kane, in what might be Doctor Who's earliest example of stunt casting.
- The series' first example of one-off companions, Altos and Sabetha, who join the TARDIS grew on their quest for the keys.
- A hilarious blooper that was left in where one of the Voord trips over his own flippers!
- The Sentence of Death episode (#5) and the first part of the final episode (both dealing with Ian's trial) were excellent and should have been the main story, maybe expanded to 3 episodes.
- Remembering that this show was completely produced in one of Lime Grove's smallest studios, there are some impressive camera tricks used in Episode 2 to suggest an illusionary dream world.
- The show's first attempt at showing the TARDIS materializing and dematerializing, using a model.

The bad
- Perhaps the most obvious-looking cardboard sets the early series ever offered. Ian nearly pulls a wall down at one point and that stumbling Voord almost pulls a sliding door off its track.
- Carole Ann Ford as Susan was always hit and miss with me. She was rather annoying except in the Sentence of Death episode where she briefly becomes an intergalactic Nancy Drew.
- I generally liked the classic series' multi-episode format, but agree there are a few stories that did not work well being dragged on for 6 weeks. This is one of them. This would have been a much better story at 4 episodes, or with the Key to Time...er...Keys of Marinus plotline dropped in favor of a 2 or 3-part story about Ian's trial which was the only part of the thing I found interesting (except for the camera tricks in "The Velvet Web").
- Even the vidFIRE reprocessing (converting the filmed archive copies of the episodes back into their original videotape appearance) didn't seem to be as impressive as in other episodes.

Normally I find myself blowing through classic Doctor Whos almost in one sitting (even big boys like The War Games), but this one held so little of my attention it took me nearly 2 weeks to get around to watching all 6 episodes.

You can tell 2 Entertain had little enthusiasm for this one, as they best they could muster for DVD extras is a little featurette of one of the designers complaining about how hard it was to create multiple alien worlds, and some DVD-ROM goodies including an early trading card-based adventure. They did get the director and some surviving cast members to record a commentary, but I can't imagine sitting through this again to listen to it. Even the standard (and always welcome) trivia subtitle track seemed to have less to say than usual.

I've now seen 4 of the first 5 stories: An Unearthly Child was better than I expected and had a Twilight Zone-worthy first episode (and most of its faults can be forgiven as opening night jitters); The Daleks could have been a couple episodes shorter but was still fantastic; The Edge of Destruction is one of my all-time favorites and was the "Naked Time" equivalent for Doctor Who. Story 4, Marco Polo, is lost right now except for some recreations and the 30-minute condensed audio version on the DVD. But I'm taking people's word for it that it was a classic.

So that leaves the Keys of Marinus. I think it was Doctor Who's first bona fide dud of a story (they can't all be classics). Anyone else agree with me?

PS. It looks like back in 1964 a LOT of UK viewers agreed with me. According to the Tardis Index File wiki, episode 4 had 10.4 million views, episode 5 had dropped to 7.9 million, and the finale was seen by a mere 6.9 million. Ouch! Any story that loses nearly 4 million viewers over its run is a flop by any means. And the next story, The Aztecs, also suffered for it, remaining low.

Alex
 
Fiona Walker also shows up in this serial-she's perhaps better known from the Sylvestor McCoy story "Silver Nemesis" as the OTT Lady Peinforte.
 
The Keys of Marinus is a dud all right, but 100,000 B.C. was Doctor Who's first dud. :p

...except for the second last episode and the first half of the finale I found it really boring. I couldn't believe this was written by Terry Nation!
Obviously you've never watched The Daleks, The Chase, or The Android Invasion. It's all too easy to believe.
 
Mmh, I actually like the Keys of Marinus very much. But tastes obviously differ.


...except for the second last episode and the first half of the finale I found it really boring. I couldn't believe this was written by Terry Nation!
Obviously you've never watched The Daleks, The Chase, or The Android Invasion. It's all too easy to believe.

:lol: I wanted to say something similar (I didn't think The Chase was boring). Actually, 23skidoo, Terry Nation has a reputation for writing slow-moving, somewhat dull serials. See The Daleks as prime example. His serials improve a lot, pacing-wise, though, over the course of the series.
 
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No, The Chase really was boring. Ugh.

As for The Keys of Marinus, I need to rewatch this serial at some point. I believe it was the first William Hartnell story I ever watched, so I was unaccustomed to the slow pacing, black & white video, and extra dodgy sets. Additionally, I came out of the story hating Ian who is now one of my favorite companions. I'm sure when I rewatch it, I still won't like it but perhaps I'll enjoy it a bit more than I did before?
 
The Keys of Marinus is a dud all right, but 100,000 B.C. was Doctor Who's first dud. :p

I used to think that too in the 20 years between watching it for the first time (in a 90-minute PBS edit) and seeing the DVD. Granted the first episode dominates, but I was quite surprised how good the other 3 were. Yeah, it was small potatoes compared to what came letter, but it wasn't near as boring as I remembered.

Obviously you've never watched The Daleks, The Chase, or The Android Invasion. It's all too easy to believe.
As I mentioned, I have watched The Daleks. And I quite enjoyed The Chase when I saw it last about 15 years ago and I plan to get the DVD. Android Invasion I haven't seen since about 1984 so I can't remember whether it's any good or not.

Keys of Marinus may not be the only Nation script with slow parts, but I never fell asleep watching The Daleks, nor did it become a chore for me to watch (of the, "Well I bought this I may as well watch it" variety) as what happened here.

Put another way: I had a choice of buying Keys of Marinus or The Twin Dilemma as both came out the same day. I actually think I chose the wrong one! :eek:

Alex
 
I enjoyed it for some reason. Not sure why.

Loved the cardboard cutout Voord falling down into the acid sea.
 
I couldnt' believe how sparse the DVD release was. It's probably the most vanilla release I've seen yet.

The story is meh. Yeah it is overambitious - though I personally much rather it to that other grand vision, The Web Planet.

I think the idea seeded here went on to influence The Key to Time season - which in itself isn't that bad of an idea. I like the idea of an epic quest. It just wasn't very well realised in the end in either outing.

I agree with you re: Susan. I never found her particularly engaging. More just annoying, really. The silly useless girl act with the whiney voice gets old fast.
 
Yep, Susan was always really annoying, either whining about something or screaming or just being in the way.
 
Keys of Marinus may not be the only Nation script with slow parts, but I never fell asleep watching The Daleks, nor did it become a chore for me to watch (of the, "Well I bought this I may as well watch it" variety) as what happened here.
Fair enough-- as for myself I rarely fall asleep watching TV, but I certainly did during the interminable caving/chasm-jumping in The Daleks!
 
I checked this serial out from my local library on VHS a couple of years ago. The episode where they're stuck on the snow planet with the scary mountain man has got to be one of the worst episodes of Dr. Who ever. I'm sure that there's something about it in concept I'm not praising enough or missing the value of, but wow, was that one terrible.

I thought they were fairly imaginative with the one with the acid planet. I was impressed at the 'special effects'; They weren't today's standards, obviously, but they tried when they could have just written that stuff out in favor of a regular beach planet or something.

And yeah, The Doctor was great in the last two episodes. I wa also quite amused at the "Emperor's New Cloak" portion where the Doctor was marveling at the great scientific equipment that wasn't there.

It wasn't the best, overall, but I appreciate the fact they weren't afraid to try something like this.
 
I was never able to make it all the way through. It started out promising, but quickly just sort of ground to a hault. I guess I should try again sometime.

Just recently finished reading About Time Vol.1 and damn, those guys really rip it a new one.
 
I always liked the story and as I recall it was one that Peter Davison remembers seeing when it first came out.
 
For some reason, whenever I watch The Web Planet, my eyes physically detect the cheap, hokey Menoptera costumes and the goofy Zarbi, but my brain decodes the signal in glorious CGI Technicolor.

I guess, for some reason, I don't see the episode that was filmed, I see the episode that was imagined.
 
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