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Headless Galaxy Classes?

The manual does state that an emergency ditching like that would result in the saucer being wrecked beyond recovery... I like the concept of a water landing for sure. I think there was a numbered novel where this happened.

Yeah. Rouge Saucer. :)

No, Rogue Saucer. Rouge means red.

Thank you I get those two confused. :lol:

Think of the possibilities: the USS BATON ROUGE becomes the USS BATON ROGUE (a baton is tossed and lost.)
 
After all, if the battle hull was intentionally designed to go into combat without the saucer, and if the saucer was intentionally designed to be left out of any combat situations, why in the world would the ship accidentally end up being more combat-capable with the saucer attached?

Not impossible at all. Just think of those combat aircraft that were designed with swing wings for adequate performance in two realms, but ended up being locked in one mode or the other, not just because of something having to do with the wings, but because they had to be built to a certain minimum size in order to accommodate the clumsy VG tech and thus became useless in that half of their role that called for small and nimble.

To build the sep/reattach functionality into the Galaxy, the designers may have been forced to build a larger and more powerful ship than they at first wanted to. They'd end up with such a mean battlewagon that the separation thing would become completely redundant and even counterproductive in combat - and while agonizing over the details, they'd also decide to build a parallel starship class that omitted the sep/reattach function but otherwise was the same superb battlewagon.

The separation function may have been a complete operational failure to begin with, but technologically still good enough that half a dozen ships could demonstrate the concept (while dozens upon dozens of otherwise nearly identical Nebulas would omit it).

Although, to be sure, perhaps the Nebula class was also intended to separate and reattach? Its saucer section could omit the big impulse engines in order to take the idea of propulsively helpless saucer to its logical conclusion - while its battle section would be quite as badass as the Galaxy one, or even more so, thanks to having the big dorsal module attached.

Timo Saloniemi
 
In BoBW, Shelby wanted to separate the 1701D so the Borg would have 2 targets instead of 1. Riker dismisses the idea saying they could use the extra power from the saucer's impulse engines. Maybe, that bit of extra power was the reason to keep the saucers.

Once war broke out, it's likely most, if not all, of the non essential civilians and children were removed from the Galaxy Class ships. As mentioned earlier, this would open up a lot of room for extra equipment, man power, and maybe even extra fusion generators.

The separated Galaxy Class also lacks phasers that can reach forward and down. This would open up a blind spot in phaser coverage. The firing arc of the saucer's phasers is huge. That's too big an advantage to give up.
 
^ buuuuut. the cobra head phasers cover forward and above. there is a phaser strip on the bottom of the hull just behind the mouth of the main deflector array that provides coverage below in 360°. its just seldom seen used since there's always the saucer there with its massive strip.
 
I still say it doesn't make sense to claim that Starfleet spent 20 years designing and testing the Galaxy Class with the specific intent of optimizing the battle hull for independent operation in combat and never noticed that the ship worked better in combat with the saucer attached. That would require incompetence of a truly staggering magnitude on the part of the designers. Bottom line, it's a change that was made for real-world reasons and it doesn't have a good justification in-universe.
 
^ buuuuut. the cobra head phasers cover forward and above. there is a phaser strip on the bottom of the hull just behind the mouth of the main deflector array that provides coverage below in 360°. its just seldom seen used since there's always the saucer there with its massive strip.

It doesn't cover the area directly in front of the main deflector. The strip on the cobra head provides upper coverage, but no lower coverage, or lower coverage over a distance.
 
I still say it doesn't make sense to claim that Starfleet spent 20 years designing and testing the Galaxy Class with the specific intent of optimizing the battle hull for independent operation in combat and never noticed that the ship worked better in combat with the saucer attached. That would require incompetence of a truly staggering magnitude on the part of the designers. Bottom line, it's a change that was made for real-world reasons and it doesn't have a good justification in-universe.

Except possibly to have the saucer double as a troop transport and/or medical ship to recover survivors from other starships wrecked in battle.

The other possibility is that the Galaxys might be doubling as fleet carriers or fighter tenders during combat. I once estimated (rather roughly) that the cavernous main shuttlebay complex could probably accomodate 20 to 30 runabout-sized space craft; with some creative license, one could speculate that the Galaxy's were used as support craft for the fighter wings, rearming and refueling them squadrons at a time during battle.
 
The DS9 Tech Manual states that many of the Galaxies were sent out into wartime service with large volumes of their interior spaces incomplete, which would indicate that they only had basic crew quarters, and essential areas for ship function, so no holodecks or botanical gardens or whale tanks. It makes perfect sense to keep the saucer on the ship, because the saucer gives you two phaser arrays, and a 3rd torpedo launcher, which can be used in conjunction with the battle section's, in a saucer-sep maneuver.
 
just to satisfy you that there is plenty of coverage...
this is from my most recent drawings. the cobra head is still unfinished, my phaser strip up there is still a bit too high (hence further back) and once fixed will actually make the coverage even closer in.
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and phaser coverage is well inside the shield bubble as well. the convergence point in this image is just below where the nose of the saucer would be if still attached.
 
Emphasis mine

Except possibly to have the saucer double as a troop transport and/or medical ship to recover survivors from other starships wrecked in battle.

Based on Tasha's line in "Yesterday's Enterprise," it is possibly that's what the alt-Enterprise-D from "Yesterday's Enterprise" primarily used the saucer module for.
 
just to satisfy you that there is plenty of coverage...
this is from my most recent drawings. the cobra head is still unfinished, my phaser strip up there is still a bit too high (hence further back) and once fixed will actually make the coverage even closer in.
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and phaser coverage is well inside the shield bubble as well. the convergence point in this image is just below where the nose of the saucer would be if still attached.

Could you draw and overlay the coverage of the Galaxy's phaser coverage with the saucer, just to compare?

Also by the time of the Dominion War Starfleet had abandoned the shield bubble in favor of skin tight shielding.
 
Folks, if the phaser coverage isn't 100%, the ship isn't rigidly anchored in a giant block of concrete. The target 1° outside your firing arc? Rotate the ship 2° and shoot.

I mean, c'mon, huh? We get a little nuts here.
 
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Could you draw and overlay the coverage of the Galaxy's phaser coverage with the saucer, just to compare?

regardless of the phasers, if there's an instant you have to kill something in that dead zone: put a torpedo up their ass...
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Folks, if the phaser coverage isn't 100%, the ship isn't rigidly anchored in a giant block of concrete. The target 1° outside your firing arc? Rotate the ship 2° and shoot.

I mean, c'mon, huh? We get a little nuts here.

Also doesn't make much difference when you're shooting at a moving target that won't be in one of your phaser "blind spots" for more than a handful of seconds at most.
 
Plus, all the blind spots are close to the ship. At any distance, the cones of fire begin to overlap. So to get to a blind spot, the enemy has to fly through the cones of fire.

What enemy would warp directly into that teeny weeny hollow between nacelles, or into the curve of the fantail, or perhaps against the main shuttlebay doors, without getting obliterated by defensive fire first?

I still say it doesn't make sense to claim that Starfleet spent 20 years designing and testing the Galaxy Class with the specific intent of optimizing the battle hull for independent operation in combat and never noticed that the ship worked better in combat with the saucer attached.

But if the engineers were told to make a separable ship, and spent 20 years trying to do the impossible as well as they could, and ended up with a sorry compromise because nothing more had ever been possible and never would, then it does make sense. Separation is fine and well as a gimmick you can impress natives with, in peacetime. In wartime, the gimmick is abandoned and the ships are put to serious use.

Also, what the engineers know to be true, and what the Admirals believe to be true, are always two different things...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Was the P-51 a horribly inefficient fighter plane because it could only shoot in one direction?
 
^no, but an Iowa class battleship that could only shoot in one direction would be. different paradigms.
 
Somewhere, in some corner of the Universe, colossal Giants are playing frisbee with a galaxy-class saucer section.
 
^no, but an Iowa class battleship that could only shoot in one direction would be. different paradigms.

Not necessarily. Turret mounted guns were only installed on battleships to give them more accuracy at a distance; the turrets become sorta redundant against shore targets where you can take your time and turn the entire ship, with the cannon mounts being slightly adjusted for fine tuning.

Same works for aircraft which are maneuverable enough that you can turn the entire craft to bring the weapons to bear on a specific target. The same is also true of missile launchers; sometimes a missile turret is needed to give the missile the right direction, but most missiles can track targets in any direction no mater where they're fired (which is why modern warships don't use turret-style missile launchers anymore; even the ABLs on the Iowa Refit only fire in one direction).
 
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