Devil Worship in Haiti

[Locutus of Bored]

Did the Haitians actually attempt to strike a deal with the devil? If so, I can see him making these comments. If they didn't it's a stupid thing to say. And the timing isn't that good either.

Leaving aside the hilarity that you're actually willing to believe this at all...

How exactly would one go about proving or disproving making a pact with the devil? Don't you think if the historical pre- and post-independence documents of the country and its leaders contained references to "Made deal with Satan today" that might have caught someone's attention by now?

Would you still hold all of the numerous generations of Haitians since such a pact with Satan responsible for the alleged sins of their ancestors?

Who does Robertson think they need to turn to, since the population of Haiti is overwhelmingly Christian already?

 

[Roger Wilco]

And can a God who murders hundreds of thousands of people over some decision political leaders of their country made centuries ago, really be called "good"?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Wow. Dude couldn't put his agenda on hold for even a day, huh?

And let's suppose he is right. Exactly how would a God who slaughters thousands of people for something their ancestors did be remotely worthy of worship or awe? It's barbaric. I cannot honestly conceive of how someone like Robertson can sleep at night, knowing he puts his trust and faith in a being he wholeheartedly believes is a deliberate mass murderer many times over.

 

[snakespeare]

It takes one to know one, my mother would say.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

While I don't doubt the veracity of the OP's report, I'd appreciate a link to read such douchebaggery for myself.

Thanks!

What the hell? In post #7 of this topic, I posted his comments in text form with a link to the video.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=3750852&postcount=7

Am I cloaked again?

 

[Amaris]

Did the Haitians actually attempt to strike a deal with the devil? If so, I can see him making these comments. If they didn't it's a stupid thing to say. And the timing isn't that good either.

Leaving aside the hilarity that you're actually willing to believe this at all...

How exactly would one go about proving or disproving making a pact with the devil? Don't you think if the historical pre- and post-independence documents of the country and its leaders contained references to "Made deal with Satan today" that might have caught someone's attention by now?

Would you still hold all of the numerous generations of Haitians since such a pact with Satan responsible for the alleged sins of their ancestors?

Who does Robertson think they need to turn to, since the population of Haiti is overwhelmingly Christian already?

Most likely, this disturbing fact wouldn't look good since a nation comprised of majority Christians were hit with a huge earthquake and death toll (sadly ). So Pat needs to spin it so it looks like the devil was involved in this one and that God was only doing his Deific duties by smiting them appropriately.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Did the Haitians actually attempt to strike a deal with the devil? If so, I can see him making these comments. If they didn't it's a stupid thing to say. And the timing isn't that good either.

Leaving aside the hilarity that you're actually willing to believe this at all...

How exactly would one go about proving or disproving making a pact with the devil? Don't you think if the historical pre- and post-independence documents of the country and its leaders contained references to "Made deal with Satan today" that might have caught someone's attention by now?

Would you still hold all of the numerous generations of Haitians since such a pact with Satan responsible for the alleged sins of their ancestors?

Who does Robertson think they need to turn to, since the population of Haiti is overwhelmingly Christian already?

Well that's my point. I've never heard of this and I would think there would be documentation of some kind so...

However, it's not for me to decide who to hold eternally responsible for anything. I'm just saying that, in his view, I can see why he might say what he said.

 

[Colonel Green]

More proof is required.

Willing to admit that you've got it?

 

[Colonel Green]

Did the Haitians actually attempt to strike a deal with the devil? If so, I can see him making these comments. If they didn't it's a stupid thing to say. And the timing isn't that good either.

Leaving aside the hilarity that you're actually willing to believe this at all...

How exactly would one go about proving or disproving making a pact with the devil? Don't you think if the historical pre- and post-independence documents of the country and its leaders contained references to "Made deal with Satan today" that might have caught someone's attention by now?

Would you still hold all of the numerous generations of Haitians since such a pact with Satan responsible for the alleged sins of their ancestors?

Who does Robertson think they need to turn to, since the population of Haiti is overwhelmingly Christian already?

Well that's my point. I've never heard of this and I would think there would be documentation of some kind so...

However, it's not for me to decide who to hold eternally responsible for anything. I'm just saying that, in his view, I can see why he might say what he said.

You can see why he might have said that? What evidence does he have to support his claim?

The guy is completely senile and totally uninformed. He just heard "Haiti" and immediately thought: "TEH VOOODOO!!!"

That is the entirety of the logic behind his statement. I'm not surprised to see you support it.

 

[Lindley]

Haiti? Why can't it be loveland, Joel?

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[Locutus of Bored]

However, it's not for me to decide who to hold eternally responsible for anything. I'm just saying that, in his view, I can see why he might say what he said.

It is for you to decide the type of God you choose to worship and the religious leaders you choose to admire or follow, and the fact that you'd have no problem whatsoever with worshiping a God who kills tens of thousands of people for the sins of their ancestors so long as there was documentation of a pact with Satan in 1803 (because then it's okay), speaks volumes about you.

What exactly do the Haitian people need to do to get off of God's naughty list, because they're already more than 80% Christian now and were predominately Christian even in 1803, which makes you wonder why they signed that pact with Satan anyway.

Why does Pat Robertson get to decide who is eternally responsible, by the way? Does he think he's God, or did God personally send him a memo about the Haitian situation and told Robertson to speak on his behalf?

 

[John Picard]

Pat Robertson always espouses this type of bullshit any time an area of the globe is hit with a natural disaster. He opens his yap and starts preaching that the people there "offended God" or they "aren't right with God" blah blah blah blah and better start repenting lest they get wiped off of the face of the earth.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

However, it's not for me to decide who to hold eternally responsible for anything. I'm just saying that, in his view, I can see why he might say what he said.

It is for you to decide the type of God you choose to worship and the religious leaders you choose to admire or follow, and the fact that you'd have no problem whatsoever with worshiping a God who kills tens or hundreds of thousands of people for the sins of their ancestors so long as there was documentation of a pact with Satan in 1803 (because then it's okay), speaks volumes about you.

What exactly do the Haitian people need to do to get off of God's naughty list, because they're already more than 80% Christian now and were predominately Christian even in 1803, which makes you wonder why they signed that pact with Satan anyway.

Why does Pat Robertson get to decide who is eternally responsible, by the way? Does he think he's God, or did God personally send him a memo about the Haitian situation and told Robertson to speak on his behalf?

Um, because I can see why he would say what he said does not mean I agree with him.

You are right on one point though. No Christian would ever make a pact with Satan.

 

[ST-One]

However, it's not for me to decide who to hold eternally responsible for anything. I'm just saying that, in his view, I can see why he might say what he said.

It is for you to decide the type of God you choose to worship and the religious leaders you choose to admire or follow, and the fact that you'd have no problem whatsoever with worshiping a God who kills tens or hundreds of thousands of people for the sins of their ancestors so long as there was documentation of a pact with Satan in 1803 (because then it's okay), speaks volumes about you.

What exactly do the Haitian people need to do to get off of God's naughty list, because they're already more than 80% Christian now and were predominately Christian even in 1803, which makes you wonder why they signed that pact with Satan anyway.

Why does Pat Robertson get to decide who is eternally responsible, by the way? Does he think he's God, or did God personally send him a memo about the Haitian situation and told Robertson to speak on his behalf?

Um, because I can see why he would say what he said does not mean I agree with him.

You are right on one point though. No Christian would ever make a pact with Satan.

How can you make a pact with a fictional character?

You are probably just as... bad as Mr. Robertson if you 'can see why he would say what he said'.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

People like Pat Robertson are immensely embarrassing to me as a Christian.

The only agenda such disasters should bring to our minds as Christians is this: compassion towards our neighbors. These things should remind us that the only way we will get through things like this is to serve each other in kindness. We should be putting ourselves in a position to help, not to hurt and belittle those who are in need. Those who make comments like Robertson should take a very, very close look at themselves.

If there is anyone wishing to help, this is one example. Here is a ministry that my church has been supporting to build homes for children orphaned in Haiti. They have been hit by hurricanes and now the earthquake, and I am sure with the devastation there will be much, much more need for them in the days to come:

http://handsandfeetproject.org/home.php

The Hands and Feet Project is named for the idea that we are to act as the hands and feet of Jesus in this world, to do His service.

And I think SOME of those who try to claim Christ's name need to pay attention to that, and NOT to trying--and VERY badly--to be the mouth.

There are other causes that will help in Haiti, I am sure. This is one example.

 

[Amaris]

However, it's not for me to decide who to hold eternally responsible for anything. I'm just saying that, in his view, I can see why he might say what he said.

It is for you to decide the type of God you choose to worship and the religious leaders you choose to admire or follow, and the fact that you'd have no problem whatsoever with worshiping a God who kills tens or hundreds of thousands of people for the sins of their ancestors so long as there was documentation of a pact with Satan in 1803 (because then it's okay), speaks volumes about you.

What exactly do the Haitian people need to do to get off of God's naughty list, because they're already more than 80% Christian now and were predominately Christian even in 1803, which makes you wonder why they signed that pact with Satan anyway.

Why does Pat Robertson get to decide who is eternally responsible, by the way? Does he think he's God, or did God personally send him a memo about the Haitian situation and told Robertson to speak on his behalf?

Um, because I can see why he would say what he said does not mean I agree with him.

You are right on one point though. No Christian would ever make a pact with Satan.

See, that leaves you with an out. On the surface this simply means you agree with Locutus. However, it would also let you out if it turns out that the Haitians did "make a pact with Satan", because then it could be said that those who did were not Christians, and then you can just let your theology cover for you. That way, if you wish, you can still agree with Pat but look fair and balanced in comparison.

 

[Alpha_Geek]

Roger, wilco. Douchebaggery confirmed!

Geek, out!

http://www.salon.com/news/haiti/index.html?story=/news/2010/01/13/haiti_robertson

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ4dA6kZsEs&feature=player_embedded[/yt]

 

[TheLonelySquire]

It is for you to decide the type of God you choose to worship and the religious leaders you choose to admire or follow, and the fact that you'd have no problem whatsoever with worshiping a God who kills tens or hundreds of thousands of people for the sins of their ancestors so long as there was documentation of a pact with Satan in 1803 (because then it's okay), speaks volumes about you.

What exactly do the Haitian people need to do to get off of God's naughty list, because they're already more than 80% Christian now and were predominately Christian even in 1803, which makes you wonder why they signed that pact with Satan anyway.

Why does Pat Robertson get to decide who is eternally responsible, by the way? Does he think he's God, or did God personally send him a memo about the Haitian situation and told Robertson to speak on his behalf?

Um, because I can see why he would say what he said does not mean I agree with him.

You are right on one point though. No Christian would ever make a pact with Satan.

See, that leaves you with an out. On the surface this simply means you agree with Locutus. However, it would also let you out if it turns out that the Haitians did "make a pact with Satan", because then it could be said that those who did were not Christians, and then you can just let your theology cover for you. That way, if you wish, you can still agree with Pat but look fair and balanced in comparison.

I never said I agreed with him. I simply understand why he would say what he said. That doesn't mean I'm on board with Pat at all, as much as some here believe might believe me to be.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Um, because I can see why he would say what he said does not mean I agree with him.

Here's what you said:

Did the Haitians actually attempt to strike a deal with the devil? If so, I can see him making these comments. If they didn't it's a stupid thing to say. And the timing isn't that good either.

So, it's not a stupid thing to say if there was documentation to support his comments? How is that not approving of or agreeing with Robertson's comments?

For future reference, the correct answer is that blaming the tens or hundreds of thousands of dead and injured victims of a massive earthquake for the unprovable actions of their ancestors 207 years ago is ALWAYS STUPID, documented or not. It would continue to be stupid even if their ancestors had signed a pact with Satan. It would be stupid that anyone would worship a God who would punish the descendants of people who made a pact with Satan for 207 years culminating is a devastating earthquake.

I love that Satan is the villain of this piece as well, since as far as I can tell Robertson's only contention is that Satan helped the Haitians defeat Napoleon's forces. It's God that has been punishing all of the subsequent generations of Haitians who had nothing to do with the original deal. It's God that caused an earthquake that murdered tens of thousands of people and left hundreds of thousands injured and homeless in a predominately Christian nation. Yet Robertson, and you apparently, are perfectly fine worshiping a God who behaves in such a way.

 

[ST-One]

It is for you to decide the type of God you choose to worship and the religious leaders you choose to admire or follow, and the fact that you'd have no problem whatsoever with worshiping a God who kills tens or hundreds of thousands of people for the sins of their ancestors so long as there was documentation of a pact with Satan in 1803 (because then it's okay), speaks volumes about you.

What exactly do the Haitian people need to do to get off of God's naughty list, because they're already more than 80% Christian now and were predominately Christian even in 1803, which makes you wonder why they signed that pact with Satan anyway.

Why does Pat Robertson get to decide who is eternally responsible, by the way? Does he think he's God, or did God personally send him a memo about the Haitian situation and told Robertson to speak on his behalf?

Um, because I can see why he would say what he said does not mean I agree with him.

You are right on one point though. No Christian would ever make a pact with Satan.

See, that leaves you with an out. On the surface this simply means you agree with Locutus. However, it would also let you out if it turns out that the Haitians did "make a pact with Satan", because then it could be said that those who did were not Christians, and then you can just let your theology cover for you. That way, if you wish, you can still agree with Pat but look fair and balanced in comparison.

It also shows a fantastic level of ignorance to still believe in such things as 'pacts with the devil' or 'god's wrath'.