The Doctor and romance

[Piper]

What interests me is what made people like Grace and Rose so special to him, when none of his prior human companions got to him that way?

I disagree with this, I think he felt equally strongly about many of his past companions, it's just that the nature of the show didn't allow those feelings to be shown in the same way. He certainly loved Susan (albeit in a very different way to Rose!) and I would be prepared to make the case that the Second Doctor and Jamie had a very special bond, although again not in a sexual way.

The Third Doctor was extremely close to Jo, and certainly didn't treat Sarah Jane with anywhere like the same level of affection. However, the Fourth Doctor with Sarah "No, don't you forget me" Jane was upset at her departure, and at the risk of breaking the fourth wall, was hugely in love with the equally bohemian Romana II. The next two incarnations didn't really have a similar relationship (the Fifth Doctor and Tegan? I don't think so) although if you go non-canon for a moment, the Sixth Doctor and Evelyn are often like an old married couple.

Being in love doesn't necessarily have a sexual connotation - I think the Doctor has loved lots of his companions, just hasn't had any wish to go to bed with them. His very need to have companions is a sign he needs that friendship.

 

[Kelso]

I like to think that the Doctor had a thing for Tegan... and Nyssa had a thing for the Doctor.

There isn't much on screen evidence to support it (like there is with Jo Grant), but it makes the Davison years more interesting.

 

[Shazam!]

Which is why, really, Freema Agyeman's finest moment as an actor on Doctor Who was the speech she gave at the end of "Last of the Time Lords" about why she needed to get out.

Her finest moment was crying over a drowned(!) fish.

 

[wamdue]

I believe there's a fairly popular fanon idea that Five had special feelings for Tegan. I'm always seeing fan fiction on the subject.

I would not go drawing any conclusions about a character from fanon or fan fic, some of that is stuff is so screwed up, the Supernatural FanFic community is all kinds of wrong.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Any show is going to be more interesting if the main characters are allowed a full range of emotion. Hell, they had Spock weeping by the fourth broadcast episode of Star Trek and he was allowed more romance stories in three seasons than the Doctor got during DW's 26 year run.

The people who clamor for a love-less Doctor would be happy to have Sylvester McCoy starring in the new season, performing the long-lost scripts from series 27. They're more interested in reliving their childhoods than in getting any sort of compelling (or affecting) television.

Goddamn you're good.

 

[JoeZhang]

I don't know why people point to The Green Death to prove that the Doctor had romantic interests in any of his companions in the classic series. The Doctor considered Jo Grant to be a good friend, nothing more. He wasn't attracted to her. He was sad at the end because she wouldn't be sharing any more adventures with him, not because he was secretly pining for her.

Lol. He downed his champagne in one gulp and slipped out while everyone was singing to the happy couple.

That's not the typical reaction when a good friend announces her engagement.

Mike Yates looks more upset in a relationship sense, the Doctor is more like the sad/pride father now his daughter is grown up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO2S_fWkb2U

 

[EJA]

I don't know why people point to The Green Death to prove that the Doctor had romantic interests in any of his companions in the classic series. The Doctor considered Jo Grant to be a good friend, nothing more. He wasn't attracted to her. He was sad at the end because she wouldn't be sharing any more adventures with him, not because he was secretly pining for her.

Lol. He downed his champagne in one gulp and slipped out while everyone was singing to the happy couple.

That's not the typical reaction when a good friend announces her engagement.

Mike Yates looks more upset in a relationship sense, the Doctor is more like the sad/pride father now his daughter is grown up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO2S_fWkb2U

Yeah, that's how I view it as well.

 

[Winterwind]

I'm opposed to the Doctor ever romancing a companion. In a story like "the Girl in the Fireplace" though, a guest character where the Doctor loses the girl at the end, that's fine and to me, as it should be handled.

 

[Kelso]

Goddamn you're good.

I don't know why people point to The Green Death to prove that the Doctor had romantic interests in any of his companions in the classic series. The Doctor considered Jo Grant to be a good friend, nothing more. He wasn't attracted to her. He was sad at the end because she wouldn't be sharing any more adventures with him, not because he was secretly pining for her.

Lol. He downed his champagne in one gulp and slipped out while everyone was singing to the happy couple.

That's not the typical reaction when a good friend announces her engagement.

Mike Yates looks more upset in a relationship sense, the Doctor is more like the sad/pride father now his daughter is grown up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO2S_fWkb2U

Are we watching the same clip? Mike Yates (the guy in the suit, for those who don't know) was disappointed and putting on a good face... but the Doctor acted like someone just shot his dog.

 

[Starkers]

Lol. He downed his champagne in one gulp and slipped out while everyone was singing to the happy couple.

That's not the typical reaction when a good friend announces her engagement.

Mike Yates looks more upset in a relationship sense, the Doctor is more like the sad/pride father now his daughter is grown up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO2S_fWkb2U

Yeah, that's how I view it as well.

Proud father's don't down their champagne in one and slip out without a backwards glance while everyone else is partying. Plus daughters don't give that look Jo gave the door as it closed either!

 

[The Castellan]

A little romance for the good Doctor is fine by me. I just wish that the writers wouldn't hook him up with teenagers.

Like the Doc's gonna find a 700+ year old chick?

Those who think the Doctor only just started to notice girls after getting shot in San Francisco haven't watched enough of the series. Watch The Green Death where the Doctor (Pertwee now) clearly shows he has feelings for Jo Grant. And despite Tom Baker's opinion that the Doctor is asexual, there is no denying that sparks flew between the Doctor and both Romanas (even more so with Lalla Ward since she and Tom were dating in real life).

Yep. Though there was one monent in Death to the Daleks where, before going into the Exxilon city, He did hold Sarah's cheek in a way that mere friends don't do.

If the Doctor is indeed part human, it's possible that some of his incarnations are more in touch with that part of his biology.

Ehhh, I completly ignore that part. I think that was a one time thing for the 8th Doc. Plus I'm so tired of every sci-fi alien hero having to be part human.

Lol. He downed his champagne in one gulp and slipped out while everyone was singing to the happy couple.

That's not the typical reaction when a good friend announces her engagement.

I did the same thing, once in the same sort of situation.

I like to think that the Doctor had a thing for Tegan... and Nyssa had a thing for the Doctor.

I think Nyssa did...I remember when she tried so hard to make the Doc notice her new outfit in Snake Dance. I always like that bit.

 

[wamdue]

A little romance for the good Doctor is fine by me. I just wish that the writers wouldn't hook him up with teenagers.

Like the Doc's gonna find a 700+ year old chick?

he finds Jack, and we dont really know how old he is.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Mike Yates looks more upset in a relationship sense, the Doctor is more like the sad/pride father now his daughter is grown up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO2S_fWkb2U

Yeah, that's how I view it as well.

Proud father's don't down their champagne in one and slip out without a backwards glance while everyone else is partying. Plus daughters don't give that look Jo gave the door as it closed either!

You're Absolutely Right(TM).

The, uh, desire of some fans to keep the Doctor sexually neutered or immature is one of the more bizarre criticisms made of the series.

 

[AdmiralGarak]

A little romance for the good Doctor is fine by me. I just wish that the writers wouldn't hook him up with teenagers.

Like the Doc's gonna find a 700+ year old chick?

Where does it say I want that?

I do like the romances Moff has given him so far. (Reinette & River)

You conveniently left out this part of my post so that you could mock me.

 

[AdmiralGarak]

A little romance for the good Doctor is fine by me. I just wish that the writers wouldn't hook him up with teenagers.

Like the Doc's gonna find a 700+ year old chick?

he finds Jack, and we dont really know how old he is.

I don't think the internet could survive that many geeks' heads exploding at one time. Doctor Who fandom would tear itself to shreds within hours of the first spy report.


I say Moff goes for it.

 

[JoeZhang]

Yeah, that's how I view it as well.

Proud father's don't down their champagne in one and slip out without a backwards glance while everyone else is partying. Plus daughters don't give that look Jo gave the door as it closed either!

You're Absolutely Right(TM).

The, uh, desire of some fans to keep the Doctor sexually neutered or immature is one of the more bizarre criticisms made of the series.

He could fuck someone up the ass over the console while engaging in wolf-bagging and I wouldn't care, I simply don't see it in that scene.

 

[Sci]

A little romance for the good Doctor is fine by me. I just wish that the writers wouldn't hook him up with teenagers.

Like the Doc's gonna find a 700+ year old chick?

he finds Jack, and we dont really know how old he is.

Well, he was probably around 35-40 (assuming 51st Century Humans don't age more slowly than us today) when he was exterminated by the Daleks. We know that Jack lived through about 1869 to 2008, so around one hundred forty years before he met the Doctor again at the beginning of "Utopia." From there, he lived a year that was reversed before returning Torchwood Three. We know that in "Exit Wounds," Jack is sent back to 27 C.E. and buried, forced to suffocate and die and revive until 1901, when he's placed in cryogenic suspension before waking again in 2009. And let's say that a year passed between "Exit Wounds" and Children of Earth, and that about six months passed from "Day Five" to "The End of Time, Part Two."

So, by my count, if we assume Jack was 35 when we met him, that would make him about 2,157 years old when last we see him in "The End of Time, Part Two."

 

[Kansa]

Like the Doc's gonna find a 700+ year old chick?

he finds Jack, and we dont really know how old he is.

Well, he was probably around 35-40 (assuming 51st Century Humans don't age more slowly than us today) when he was exterminated by the Daleks. We know that Jack lived through about 1869 to 2008, so around one hundred forty years before he met the Doctor again at the beginning of "Utopia." From there, he lived a year that was reversed before returning Torchwood Three. We know that in "Exit Wounds," Jack is sent back to 27 C.E. and buried, forced to suffocate and die and revive until 1901, when he's placed in cryogenic suspension before waking again in 2009. And let's say that a year passed between "Exit Wounds" and Children of Earth, and that about six months passed from "Day Five" to "The End of Time, Part Two."

So, by my count, if we assume Jack was 35 when we met him, that would make him about 2,157 years old when last we see him in "The End of Time, Part Two."

So if that's correct jack is older than the doctor

 

[wamdue]

I did a count for how old Jack was at one stage, hell if I can remeber what I did with it.

Not knowing how old Jack was when we meet him does not help matters, he could well be older than he looks. Hell he spent five years in a time loop. Whilst I think he is older than he looks when the Doctor meets him in The Empty Child, I would not count the frozen years towards his age, as he was frozen.

Like the Doc's gonna find a 700+ year old chick?

he finds Jack, and we dont really know how old he is.

I don't think the internet could survive that many geeks' heads exploding at one time. Doctor Who fandom would tear itself to shreds within hours of the first spy report.


I say Moff goes for it.

sorry what do you think im suggesting?

 

[selina]

I did a count for how old Jack was at one stage, hell if I can remeber what I did with it.

Not knowing how old Jack was when we meet him does not help matters, he could well be older than he looks. Hell he spent five years in a time loop. Whilst I think he is older than he looks when the Doctor meets him in The Empty Child, I would not count the frozen years towards his age, as he was frozen.

I think he looked younger . But I agree that he could have been older than he actually looked.