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The Doctor and romance

One of the things that bugged me about Martha was how she claimed to be in love with him. My response was, "Really? Why? You've known him for like 2 days."

Actually, Martha never claimed to be in love with the Doctor until "The Family of Blood" -- episode 9 of the season, and an unknown amount of time after she met the Doctor. (We don't know how much time took place between "42" and "Human Nature.")

Was it really that many episodes into the season? I marathoned the whole thing on DVD, so maybe it just seemed a lot sooner.

Yep. As others have said, Martha had feelings for the Doctor very early on -- she was incredibly frustrated when they shared a bed in "The Shakespeare Code" yet he was not only uninterested in her but also prattling on about Rose -- but it was only in "The Family of Blood" that she described herself as being in love with him.
 
Actually, Martha never claimed to be in love with the Doctor until "The Family of Blood" -- episode 9 of the season, and an unknown amount of time after she met the Doctor. (We don't know how much time took place between "42" and "Human Nature.")

Was it really that many episodes into the season? I marathoned the whole thing on DVD, so maybe it just seemed a lot sooner.

Yep. As others have said, Martha had feelings for the Doctor very early on -- she was incredibly frustrated when they shared a bed in "The Shakespeare Code" yet he was not only uninterested in her but also prattling on about Rose -- but it was only in "The Family of Blood" that she described herself as being in love with him.

Keep in mind that in reality, it would be very easily to quickly get "swept up" with the Doctor and start feeling intense emotion towards him. A young girl being shown time and space by this extraordinary individual can certainly be believed to quickly "fall" for him, even if he doesn't even notice.

Jack also seemed quite swept up with the Doctor very early on. Right away he wanted to prove to the Doctor he wasn't a bad guy, and later he wanted to impress him and be accepted by him. Jack was in the bad position of the Doctor initially not really liking him or trusting him, and doubting his good intentions.
 
Was it really that many episodes into the season? I marathoned the whole thing on DVD, so maybe it just seemed a lot sooner.

Yep. As others have said, Martha had feelings for the Doctor very early on -- she was incredibly frustrated when they shared a bed in "The Shakespeare Code" yet he was not only uninterested in her but also prattling on about Rose -- but it was only in "The Family of Blood" that she described herself as being in love with him.

Keep in mind that in reality, it would be very easily to quickly get "swept up" with the Doctor and start feeling intense emotion towards him. A young girl being shown time and space by this extraordinary individual can certainly be believed to quickly "fall" for him, even if he doesn't even notice.

True. My interpretation is that Martha was very quickly infatuated, but that it was only after she'd been with him for at least a couple of months -- again, recall that there's an unspecified period of relative time between "42" and "Human Nature"/"The Family of Blood" (which itself picks up after at least 3 months on Earth) and then again between "Family" and "Utopia" (with at least two unseen Doctor/Martha adventures only glimpsed at, including one establishing that they spent 3 months in 1969) -- that she really fell in love with him.

And, really, why shouldn't she fall in love with him? He's an amazing person. (We wouldn't be watching a show about him if he weren't!) I never thought there was anything unbelievable about someone falling in love with the Doctor even if he didn't reciprocate. It happens in real life all the time, after all.
 
I don't have a problem with The Doctor having a romantic relationship, but I've never liked how the relationship between The Doctor and Rose played out, or rather specifically The Tenth Doctor and Rose. It felt far more mature with The Ninth Doctor but it got too bubbly (for the lack of a better word) for my taste.

I think the best romantic relationship we've seen The Doctor in is the one he had with Cameca in The Aztecs. We saw the beginning, the blossoming, and the farewell. It was understated but beautiful. As much as I adore Romana and her relationship with The Doctor, I felt like the viewers got more out of the relationship between The Doctor and Cameca than we got from The Doctor and Romana.

That all being said, I think the impending relationship The Doctor will be having with River Song will be very interesting and I'm looking forward to what Moffat will bring to the table.
 
I'm looking forward to River Song too. Seems fitting that the Doctor ends up with a wife he has met completely out of order...and that he always knows how she dies.

In a lot of ways, knowing River is doomed from the very start might be what allows the Doctor to let himself bond with her. He feels safe because he knows how her story ends. Ironically, a relationship with the Doctor is just what gets her killed.

Do you suppose the Doctor plans to ever go back to the Library with some plan to rescue her from the computer, maybe even giving her a body again so that they can be together? Show could always go that way too...
 
Do you suppose the Doctor plans to ever go back to the Library with some plan to rescue her from the computer, maybe even giving her a body again so that they can be together? Show could always go that way too...

This could potentially be an awesome way for the show to end. Right before the Doctor dies after his final regeneration, he goes to the Library and finds a way to have his consciousness join River. It would be a wonderful way for the Doctor to actually get a happy ending after so many centuries of watching loved-ones die.
 
Those who think the Doctor only just started to notice girls after getting shot in San Francisco haven't watched enough of the series. Watch The Green Death where the Doctor

I saw The Green Death as a kid. When I went back and watched it as an adult I was so surprised to see the Doctor's feelings for Jo. Nicely surprised.

I don't have a problem with the Doctor having romances. I'd just like them to be kept in check, as in he doesn't fall for every companion or have too many "romances of the week". Something significant occassionally suits me fine. I liked Nine and Rose, and to a lesser extend Ten and Rose.
 
Romance in Who is a bit like the Daleks, I like to see it, just not every season :devil:

I had no major issues with the 9th Doctor and Rose, but like EMH the 10th and Rose got far too sappy and giggly at times. As for Martha...oh dear where to start. I understand what RTD was trying to do, give us a companion who seemed slight and insipid so that when she saves the day in the end it has all the more impact. The trouble was by that time I didn't care I disliked her so much. Maybe if a better actress had been chosen...I dunno, maybe it still wouldn't have worked. Between Matha's insipid "I wuv him but he doesn't even know I exist" pouting and the Doctor's "you're not Rose, Rose would know just what to say, you're not replacing her." Mantras....I don't think the character ever had a chance. Which is a shame. I actually really liked Martha in Smith and Jones, I just didn't think we saw that Martha again until Last of the Timelords.

Donna was a blessed relief, and while I don't mind if we have another Doctor/companion romance, I hope Donna has proven that it isn't a nessesity for the new series, and isn't a neccesity for a companion to love/fancy/be infatuated by the Doctor in order to want to travel with him.
 
As for Martha...oh dear where to start. I understand what RTD was trying to do, give us a companion who seemed slight and insipid so that when she saves the day in the end it has all the more impact.

I've never understood this argument at all; Martha never seemed slight or insipid to me.

It's especially amusing to me to hear that claim, though, because I distinctly remember that the general consensus during Martha's first few episodes was that she seemed smarter and more competent than Rose. (Of course, I think there was some thinly-veiled classism in those comments, too -- the unspoken implication I got from a lot of folks was that Martha was better because she was middle class and had gone to university where Rose was working class who'd apparently dropped out of secondary school.) To me, that consensus only seemed to disappear after a lot of posters decided they didn't like the unrequited love subplot.
 
I had no problem with Martha except for the fact that she had this irrational jealousy of Rose that she just wouldn't let go. I think Donna should have stuck around after "The Runaway Bride." She could have helped him get over Rose so that Martha's companionship could have been a lot less angsty.
 
I had no problem with Martha except for the fact that she had this irrational jealousy of Rose that she just wouldn't let go.

Well, one, I don't think she was particularly jealous of Rose. The most I can remember her saying about Rose was the, "Oh, she's blonde?" comment in "Utopia." The rest of the time, it was really everyone else bringing up Rose and Martha getting slightly sick of it.

And, really, why shouldn't she? She's in love with the guy she's living with but all he can seem to think about is his sort-of ex. The Doctor even describes himself as being ashamed of what he did to Martha in "Partners in Crime."
 
As for Martha...oh dear where to start. I understand what RTD was trying to do, give us a companion who seemed slight and insipid so that when she saves the day in the end it has all the more impact.

I've never understood this argument at all; Martha never seemed slight or insipid to me.

It's especially amusing to me to hear that claim, though, because I distinctly remember that the general consensus during Martha's first few episodes was that she seemed smarter and more competent than Rose. (Of course, I think there was some thinly-veiled classism in those comments, too -- the unspoken implication I got from a lot of folks was that Martha was better because she was middle class and had gone to university where Rose was working class who'd apparently dropped out of secondary school.) To me, that consensus only seemed to disappear after a lot of posters decided they didn't like the unrequited love subplot.

Well as I say I thought she was very good in Smith and Jones, that said the cracks in her performance/character began as early as the Shakespeare Code for me.
 
I don't know why people point to The Green Death to prove that the Doctor had romantic interests in any of his companions in the classic series. The Doctor considered Jo Grant to be a good friend, nothing more. He wasn't attracted to her. He was sad at the end because she wouldn't be sharing any more adventures with him, not because he was secretly pining for her.

What interests me is what made people like Grace and Rose so special to him, when none of his prior human companions got to him that way?
 
What interests me is what made people like Grace and Rose so special to him, when none of his prior human companions got to him that way?

Just differences in personality, probably. Each Doctor is different and reacts in different ways. If the Doctor is indeed part human, it's possible that some of his incarnations are more in touch with that part of his biology.
 
What interests me is what made people like Grace and Rose so special to him, when none of his prior human companions got to him that way?

What makes you think that love always has a rational explanation?
 
Does anyone reckon the Doctor ever fell for any of his past companions? Apart from Romana II (maybe), I'd say no, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions.
 
Does anyone reckon the Doctor ever fell for any of his past companions? Apart from Romana II (maybe), I'd say no, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions.

I (semi) jokingly suspect that the Doctor may have had a thing going on with Jamie McCrimmon. And I think that "School Reunion" made it very clear that the Doctor had feelings for Sarah Jane back in the day but never acted on it.
 
I don't know why people point to The Green Death to prove that the Doctor had romantic interests in any of his companions in the classic series. The Doctor considered Jo Grant to be a good friend, nothing more. He wasn't attracted to her. He was sad at the end because she wouldn't be sharing any more adventures with him, not because he was secretly pining for her.

Lol. He downed his champagne in one gulp and slipped out while everyone was singing to the happy couple.

That's not the typical reaction when a good friend announces her engagement.
 
I believe there's a fairly popular fanon idea that Five had special feelings for Tegan. I'm always seeing fan fiction on the subject.
 
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