The End Of Time Part 2 - Comment & Grading SPOILERS

[HappyDayRiot]

The whole Time Lord thing was pretty confusing--usually I can keep up with the temporal stuff in Dr. Who, but I don't understand how they just now figured out they were going to be fucked in the time war, and then how they decided on that moment in time--when the Doctor and Master were on Earth--to make an appearance to do... not sure what, exactly. Smash Earth out of the sky so Gallifrey could take its place?

That moment for their return was dictated by the fact their very small and weak signal couldn't be located by the Master until he amplified his own senses to figure out what the drumming in his head was. He achieved that by creating 6 billion versions of himself, the joint effort of which allowed him to find the crystal that provided the link to the Time Lords. The crystal could only escape the time lock once he detected it as the source of the drumming noise. Once he had the crystal he could set up the contraption to link the two worlds.

The Time Lords were then coming the Lock, complete with their planet and pretty everything else sealed within the Lock (including the Daleks and various engagements and encounters that made up the Time War). Before all this could descend, the Time Lords were going to activate 'the ultimate sanction' - the end of time. This would wipe all time and existence leaving them to ascend to a different plane of existence for the rest of eternity, outside of time.

Yeah, very overblown. I had to watch it twice to get that, and even now I'm not totally certain.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Insert your Barrowman joke here.

Or just insert ... er, never mind!

 

[Zod]

I just watched it a second time. Hard to figure out for me what exactly the time lock was the first time around. Easier on the 2nd viewing. I will miss David as the Doctor. I highly doubt they will ever get an actor of this stature to play this role ever again. He is so compelling to watch and he made me a fan of this show. I was just a casual viewer and then watched an episode with David a few years ago and was blown away.

RIP #10

 

[Bacl]

The idea that any sort of teenager could find the seventh Doctor's getup "ice-hot" is patently absurd.

I was 13 in 1987 and I wanted his hat. The rest of the costume was a bit naff though.

Agreed. Panama hat = ice-hot any day of the week.

I'm not sure on this, but I do believe the hat was actually McCoy's, which he just brought along and wore. Either way, I was really glad that he still had it in the TV-movie.

I hope when we see the 11th Doctor going through his wardrobe that we get a few sights of old outfits. A white panama hat in the background would being a smile to my face.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The idea that any sort of teenager could find the seventh Doctor's getup "ice-hot" is patently absurd.

I was 13 in 1987 and I wanted his hat. The rest of the costume was a bit naff though.

Agreed. Panama hat = ice-hot any day of the week.

I'm not sure on this, but I do believe the hat was actually McCoy's, which he just brought along and wore. Either way, I was really glad that he still had it in the TV-movie.

I hope when we see the 11th Doctor going through his wardrobe that we get a few sights of old outfits. A white panama hat in the background would being a smile to my face.

That would be cool. I believe we briefly glimpse previous outfits in The Christmas Invasion, but it's been ages since I've seen that episode.

Either way, I hope that The Eleventh Doctor wears a hat at least on an occasion.

 

[Samurai8472]

I'm not sure on this, but I do believe the hat was actually McCoy's, which he just brought along and wore. Either way, I was really glad that he still had it in the TV-movie.

Your correct. He mentioned it in the first Confidential

"Doctor Who: New dimension"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG3kCen8WgU

He came in to the audition wearing his straw hat up.

 

[Classic Fan]

I got the impression that Ten's regeneration was so explosive because he had tried to suppress it for so long.

Yeah that makes sense

That was my initial thought also.

Couple that with the radiation he absorbed, and thats an explosive combination.

But yeah, i had a simialar thought. He was trying to hold it back for so long that he built up a massive pressure of re-gen energy. Then BAMM. Tens gone in a flash.

 

[Top41]

The whole Time Lord thing was pretty confusing--usually I can keep up with the temporal stuff in Dr. Who, but I don't understand how they just now figured out they were going to be fucked in the time war, and then how they decided on that moment in time--when the Doctor and Master were on Earth--to make an appearance to do... not sure what, exactly. Smash Earth out of the sky so Gallifrey could take its place?

That moment for their return was dictated by the fact their very small and weak signal couldn't be located by the Master until he amplified his own senses to figure out what the drumming in his head was. He achieved that by creating 6 billion versions of himself, the joint effort of which allowed him to find the crystal that provided the link to the Time Lords. The crystal could only escape the time lock once he detected it as the source of the drumming noise. Once he had the crystal he could set up the contraption to link the two worlds.

The Time Lords were then coming the Lock, complete with their planet and pretty everything else sealed within the Lock (including the Daleks and various engagements and encounters that made up the Time War). Before all this could descend, the Time Lords were going to activate 'the ultimate sanction' - the end of time. This would wipe all time and existence leaving them to ascend to a different plane of existence for the rest of eternity, outside of time.

Yeah, very overblown. I had to watch it twice to get that, and even now I'm not totally certain.

Thank you for that explanation! Yeah... I was confused about a lot of that. I wasn't sure how the Master fit into all of it--it seems like he engineered it, but then turned on the Time Lords in the end and sent them back, to save the Doctor? Overall, yes, quite confusing. I will need to watch it again!

I'm going to miss both Tennant and Simm!

 

[Professor Zoom]

That would be cool. I believe we briefly glimpse previous outfits in The Christmas Invasion, but it's been ages since I've seen that episode.

From what I recall...they said every previous outfit, or representatives, was in the shots of the wardrobe. Of course, the only one I could only pick out easily was Doc #6's coat....

 

[Starkers]

I believe Tom Baker's scarf was there...

Yeah looks like it to me.

 

[Rosalind]

That would be cool. I believe we briefly glimpse previous outfits in The Christmas Invasion, but it's been ages since I've seen that episode.

From what I recall...they said every previous outfit, or representatives, was in the shots of the wardrobe. Of course, the only one I could only pick out easily was Doc #6's coat....

I remember RTD "complained" about the amount of work the arts department spent on the wardrobe scene in the commentary. So I'm sure every outfit the Doctor has ever worn is in there somewhere.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I'm going to have to rewatch that scene again. All I remember is it happened too quickly.

 

[wamdue]

wasnt David Tennants Casanova outfit in there as well?

 

[Tom Riley]

The whole Time Lord thing was pretty confusing--usually I can keep up with the temporal stuff in Dr. Who, but I don't understand how they just now figured out they were going to be fucked in the time war, and then how they decided on that moment in time--when the Doctor and Master were on Earth--to make an appearance to do... not sure what, exactly. Smash Earth out of the sky so Gallifrey could take its place?

That moment for their return was dictated by the fact their very small and weak signal couldn't be located by the Master until he amplified his own senses to figure out what the drumming in his head was. He achieved that by creating 6 billion versions of himself, the joint effort of which allowed him to find the crystal that provided the link to the Time Lords. The crystal could only escape the time lock once he detected it as the source of the drumming noise. Once he had the crystal he could set up the contraption to link the two worlds.

The Time Lords were then coming the Lock, complete with their planet and pretty everything else sealed within the Lock (including the Daleks and various engagements and encounters that made up the Time War). Before all this could descend, the Time Lords were going to activate 'the ultimate sanction' - the end of time. This would wipe all time and existence leaving them to ascend to a different plane of existence for the rest of eternity, outside of time.

Yeah, very overblown. I had to watch it twice to get that, and even now I'm not totally certain.

Yeah, that's what I got out of it when I watched it too. Everything that happened with Tim Dalton and the Timelords was all during the time war, the day before it ended, and those clips of them were all happening one after another all at once, which was technically in the Doctor's past, and they were reading into "the future" and then adding the drumming into "the past" so it was always with the Master, and it took him up until that point to find the source of the drumming and pull them through the time lock containing the war, and into the Doctor and Master's present...

 

[Starkers]

wasnt David Tennants Casanova outfit in there as well?

I think so.

Watching TeoT 2 again the one thing I still find hard to believe (yes just the one thing) is that fall from the space ship, although I guess his fall is broken by the skylight

 

[The Nth Doctor]

wasnt David Tennants Casanova outfit in there as well?

I think so.

Watching TeoT 2 again the one thing I still find hard to believe (yes just the one thing) is that fall from the space ship, although I guess his fall is broken by the skylight

That still annoys if only because of Logopolis.

 

[Starkers]

And so avoidable with a simple line of dialogue as well.

Female catctus. 'Why have you switched the tractor beam/anti grav/whatever on?'

Cue Ten pulling open the escape hatch. It's little things like this that annoy me about RTD.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

When I first saw the episode, I thought it would have been cool if The Tenth Doctor suddenly pulled out a parachute (why there would be a parachute on the Vinvocci's ship doesn't matter...RTD!).

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

And so avoidable with a simple line of dialogue as well.

Female cactus. 'Why have you switched the tractor beam/anti grav/whatever on?'

Cue Ten pulling open the escape hatch. It's little things like this that annoy me about RTD.

Haven't we evolved past the need for technobabble bullshit?

 

[HappyDayRiot]

The Doctor is an alien who has non-human biology and has often survived severe electrical assault. I don't see why it's a problem that he can survive a massive fault. Yes, that's how the Fourth Doctor died, but equally the Sixth Doctor died by banging his head on something. If we accept that as a precedent the Doctor would die every other week.