The End Of Time Part 2 - Comment & Grading SPOILERS

[TemporalFlux]

I just keep thinking about 10b with all the Doctor's memories living in a parallel dimension - a bit of pseudo-science and the walls between worlds can come down again and out pops Rose and 10b; this probably won't happen of course, but it allows for an easy two doctors story in the future without having to worry about walking all over the Doctor's personal timestreams etc. so 10 hasn't actually gone...from a certain point of view.

10b always seemed to be designed as Tennant's way to reappear on the series as much as he would like to in the future. If I understood correctly, 10b will age at the same rate a human does; so 10b will look like Tennant as Tennant grows older.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I agree with the BAFTA suggestion...Bernard Cribbins was one of the best things about End of Time both parts. His acting and passion were tremendous. I really do feel like Wilf was meant to be us, the audience, expression our admiration and love towards David's Doctor. Yeah I always got the impression that the Human Doctor was a way for Tennant to guest star if he ever chose to. It would have made it easiler to visit Pete's World had the Time Lord's been aloud to stick around since I believe the Doctor made the comment that since there was a lack of Time Lord presence it made traveling through dimensions (especially alternate realities) more difficult.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

Yeah, I'm a little show on the uptake with this one. Spent too much time looking at Tennant and Dalton.

So, all of Gallifrey was in a time bubble, then? Did the Doctor know that they were in a time bubble? He kept saying with certainty that they were dead, which would make me think he knew nothing about any bubble. His reaction when the Master tells him about the diamond makes me think that he'd never expected any of the Time Lords to return.

Oh, and if no one has a definitive answer, I'll settle for naked Tennant pictures. KTHXB!

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Yeah, I'm a little show on the uptake with this one. Spent too much time looking at Tennant and Dalton.

So, all of Gallifrey was in a time bubble, then? Did the Doctor know that they were in a time bubble? He kept saying with certainty that they were dead, which would make me think he knew nothing about any bubble. His reaction when the Master tells him about the diamond makes me think that he'd never expected any of the Time Lords to return.

Oh, and if no one has a definitive answer, I'll settle for naked Tennant pictures. KTHXB!

The events of the Time War were Time Locked, so basically no one could go back in time to interfere with those events, but I guess within those events the weapons they used caused the war to happen over and over again in a cycle. They broke the lock and allowed them to return to real time by using an event in the past that they had access to from within the time lock.

Or that's what I think...

 

[Australis]

It's like a time bubble but it isn't. Or something.

I take it this way. The time lock makes the whole thing (whether Gallifrey or the War itself) exist out of time. The Timelords no longer exist. They are, in effect, dead. Rassilon, one of the very smartest and raised from the dead (literally), wanted more life, but if that isn't gonna happen, he's gonna take everything down with him. As yer crazy guy in charge often does. With the link broken, there was the mad prophet shouting, "Gallifrey falls!" but I think it was going back into the lock where, the War continues... forever, as a kind of loop or just slowly grinding each other down.

Which was pretty heavy. But, as I said earlier, I don't think it's over.

 

[KevasTrader]

I hope Cribbins gets some form of best supporting actor award if the BFTA have such a category. He was absolutely superb.

Hear hear to that!

Absolutely! Bernard Cribbins has consistently been a fantastic presence in Doctor Who.

And for people of my age (37), and older, he's been one of those constant presences on TV and film. Some of my earliest memories are of the Wombles and Jackanory - such a great storyteller!! And then as I got older I saw his earlier work such as The Wrong Arm of the Law, Carry on Jack and The Railway Children. ... Oh, and the Cushing Doctor Who filmm (how could I forget?? ... And of course Right Said Fred!! I could go on ... I know, I already have!! ... Bernard Cribbins is BRILLIANT!!

 

[Tomalak]

Bernard Cribbins was an inspired piece of casting. It's a terrible thing to say, but I can't see Howard Attfield making Donna's dad as memorable a character as Cribbins made Gramps. You've got to wonder how different Tennant's end would have been without him, he made that role his own quite brilliantly.

Forget the BAFTA, give him a knighthood!

 

[Starkers]

Also great to see an older man being seen as cool and hip is a slap in the face to all those, you couldn't have an older Doctor, characters need to be young or the youff won't accept them etc etc.

 

[Mitty]

Just watched it all again with a friend of mine, this time I was bawling my eyes out for the entire goodbye sequence, and basically broke down when he said "I don't want to go". But then all of a sudden he's gone and someone else is there in his place and the sad emotions are gone and you're just a little bit happy again.

What other show can do that?

 

[Classic Fan]

I hope Cribbins gets some form of best supporting actor award if the BFTA have such a category. He was absolutely superb.

I certainly hope so too.

I mentioned the Bafta nominations a few times in my review a few pages back, but it was so long a post i doubt anyone bothered to read it.

If Tennant or Cribbins dont get a noination for best actor in a drama series, then my faith in awards ceromonys is gone.

They both put on a tremendous piece of work for those final scenes together. And it will be an awful shame if the best actor award goes to some shitty pointless soap actress/actor who has never and still cant act in the slightest.

Its a horrible thing to say, but i reckon if they do get a nomination, they will lose out to a popular soap or some other drivvel from channel 5.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

My buddy wrote a blog review on "The End of Time."

 

[Zulu Romeo]

I hope Cribbins gets some form of best supporting actor award if the BFTA have such a category. He was absolutely superb.

Hear hear to that!

Absolutely! Bernard Cribbins has consistently been a fantastic presence in Doctor Who.

And for people of my age (37), and older, he's been one of those constant presences on TV and film. Some of my earliest memories are of the Wombles and Jackanory - such a great storyteller!! And then as I got older I saw his earlier work such as The Wrong Arm of the Law, Carry on Jack and The Railway Children. ... Oh, and the Cushing Doctor Who filmm (how could I forget?? ... And of course Right Said Fred!! I could go on ... I know, I already have!! ... Bernard Cribbins is BRILLIANT!!

Ah, good old Right Said Fred:

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOWA-L3JZO4[/yt]

 

[Bacl]

Also great to see an older man being seen as cool and hip is a slap in the face to all those, you couldn't have an older Doctor, characters need to be young or the youff won't accept them etc etc.

I agree. The idea that theold can't be enjoyed by the young is idiotic.

I especially loved how (old series reference) in "Paradise Towers" when the 7th Doctor first encountered the Kangs (a kind of teenager gang in the future) that they actually really liked the Doctor, and said his fashion was "ice-hot!"

We get so stuck up on this mentality that the only was to reach 17-29 years olds is with 17-29 year olds. No offense to Matt Smith, who I am sure will be great, but I would have loved an old Doctor again if only to prove young people and children would still get excited over him and think he was ice-hot!

Or "rad." Yes, I believe they are all saying "rad" these days.

 

[Stevil2001]

The idea that any sort of teenager could find the seventh Doctor's getup "ice-hot" is patently absurd.

 

[ParticleMan]

The idea that any sort of teenager could find the seventh Doctor's getup "ice-hot" is patently absurd.

I liked it when I was a kid...but then again, I wasn't exactly on the bleeding edge of cool...

Oh, and does anyone have a good link to screencaps for part 2? I need a new avatar...

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Also great to see an older man being seen as cool and hip is a slap in the face to all those, you couldn't have an older Doctor, characters need to be young or the youff won't accept them etc etc.

Yeah but that's not the argument, is it? The reason why they're going with younger actors these days is because older people wouldn't be able to cope with all the running around, the shooting at night, the stunts, the long days and all the duress that is part and parcel of a typical modern Doctor Who season. I don't think there is any doubt that, were the Doctor played by Bill Nighy or Stephen Fry, the "youff" would love it.

 

[WillsBabe]

Also great to see an older man being seen as cool and hip is a slap in the face to all those, you couldn't have an older Doctor, characters need to be young or the youff won't accept them etc etc.

What I like about Wilf is that he's allowed to be an old man. He's allowed to have his war memories and experiences and they are treated respectfully, as is his age. So often, older folks' recollections and memories, and the events of their lives are trivialised by the current prevailing generation. I am really pleased that RTD didn't do that. Wilf is respected, and he's a man who is allowed to have very real emotions that might be diffuclt to watch.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Also great to see an older man being seen as cool and hip is a slap in the face to all those, you couldn't have an older Doctor...

What, because there's an old character that people like in an episode?

You may have noticed that you're not getting an older Doctor, because TPTB know better. So there's a slap in the face here to someone, but it isn't to the youth-inclined.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

The events of the Time War were Time Locked, so basically no one could go back in time to interfere with those events, but I guess within those events the weapons they used caused the war to happen over and over again in a cycle. They broke the lock and allowed them to return to real time by using an event in the past that they had access to from within the time lock.

Or that's what I think...

So, the breaking of the lock was the sound of the drums that the Master has always heard, right? The singal that was outside of the bubble or whatnot? And then the diamond made the link physical.

To be honest, my expectations were so high for this one that RTD could never meet them. So I think no matter how much I analyze it I'll still find a reason to not feel satisfied by it. Having said that, I've waited for what, 5 years, to find out what happened to the Time Lords so I really wished they would've taken some more time on it. Maybe some pie charts, dry erase boards, etc. It felt like *boom!* We're here and *boom* we're gone.

 

[matthunter]

The idea that any sort of teenager could find the seventh Doctor's getup "ice-hot" is patently absurd.

I was 13 in 1987 and I wanted his hat. The rest of the costume was a bit naff though.