The Valeyard
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Agreed. Also, they must remember that he IS The Doctor, only corrupted and desperate.
I think it would be easy enough for The Valeyard to show up. If the potential for the Doctor to become The Valeyard still exists (Waters of Mars shows us that it does) then all The Valeyard has to do is travel back in time to a point where he has found a way to attack his younger self in an effort to steal the remaining regenerations somehow.
I'd like to see him reamed as well. The Valeyard beats The Doctor, but in the end one of the companions is able to reawaken compassion and goodness in The Valeyard, and he not only surrenders to The Doctor, but tells him how to prevent himself from ever coming into existence.
Well he is told to be an 'amalgamation' (sp?) between the 12th and 13th doctor. This to me, would mean that he is seperate enitity than the 13th doctor. The watcher in Logopolis was an 'in between' entity, I would guess the Valeyard is similar in that regard. What may have happend is the by the time the 12th doctor regerates he has built up alot evil/guilt and that is somehow purged when he regenerates creating the Valeyard.
I really like the Valeyard (mostly due to Jayston's performance), but no... no... he should never show up again.
Interestingly, when the Valeyard sort-of appeared in the IDW Comics mini-series The Forgotten he was actually drawn to look like the Tenth Doctor.
I'd like to see something done with the Valeyard before Doctor Who finally ends, as it was a loose thread that was never tied up. Obviously, the role would have to be recast, but I'm sure Moffat or someone could come up with a storyline that resolves the whole Valeyard question once and for all.
I don't think the idea of making him the Meta-Crisis clone would work. Let's leave Rose to have a happy ending without that hanging over her head. But there are options, including the possibility that he wasn't a future incarnation of the Doctor at all. Considering how many aspects of the Trial storyline were altered to hide things from the Doctor, who is to say the Valeyard was really who he thought he was?
In fact, when I watched Trial again on DVD last year for the first time in ages, I immediately thought of The Trickster.
Alex
I'd like to see something done with the Valeyard before Doctor Who finally ends, as it was a loose thread that was never tied up. Obviously, the role would have to be recast, but I'm sure Moffat or someone could come up with a storyline that resolves the whole Valeyard question once and for all.
I don't think the idea of making him the Meta-Crisis clone would work. Let's leave Rose to have a happy ending without that hanging over her head. But there are options, including the possibility that he wasn't a future incarnation of the Doctor at all. Considering how many aspects of the Trial storyline were altered to hide things from the Doctor, who is to say the Valeyard was really who he thought he was?
In fact, when I watched Trial again on DVD last year for the first time in ages, I immediately thought of The Trickster.
Alex
I hope that's not the reasoning they use for the Doctor having more regenerations now.
They brought the Master and Rassilon himself back from the dead. In The Five Doctors, the Time Lady offered the Master a whole new set of 13 regenerations. And for whatever reason, Susan is part of Rassilon's inner council. If they can do all of that, what would possibly stop them from giving all of the Time Lords/Ladies infinite regenerations?
Most likely they will, though, unless Moffat or a future showrunner undoes the events of The End of Time. David Tennant is on record as saying a single line of dialogue along this lines would be enough to cover it off. It's also been implied rather strongly by the resurrection of the Master (not only in EoT, but the TV movie as well, and Keeper of Traken) that there are plenty of outs available for the Doctor -- including cloning himself.
If Doctor Who continues to be a cash cow for the BBC (or whoever owns it) by the time we finally get to the 13th Doctor, there is no way they'll allow the regeneration limit to stop the show. They might even just ignore it completely.
Alex
The Timelords aren't around now to give out more regenerations?
These things said, I've got a vague idea for a story that involves the Valeyard and could ultimately result in more regenerations for the Doctor. But that'd have to be a 13th Doctor story, and also tie in to the 12/13 regeneration. I also have an idea to bring back the Doctor's deadliest enemy of all: the Kandyman.
Moff, if you're reading...
I could live with the Valeyard being born during his twelfth life, as sort of a Master serrogate. But hopefully introduced properly as if he were a new chracter rather than a returning villain that only a small part of the audience will even remember. And hopefully without the goofy 'Valeyard' title.
Have no doubt that whoevers Producing when the Doctors final life will come up with an epic way of giving him more.
Have no doubt that whoevers Producing when the Doctors final life will come up with an epic way of giving him more.
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