Exclusive "The End of Time part 2" clip (spoilers!)

[Ar-Pharazon]

Most regenerations we've seen (all but 8 into 9) have occurred right after the "final battle".

Only the 10.5 regeneration "happened" during a major conflict IIRC.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I just saw the clip again and can't believe I missed those crashed Dalek ships and the smoke coming off the Citadel dome. Another thing curious about this particular Lord President is that we were told in the Time War Essay that at the start of it Romana II was the Lord President of the Time Lord High Council...so obviously a significant portion of time has passed in the war and something happened to Romana for her to be deposed. I have been wondering who the woman speaking to Wilf is for instance...hmmm

I have been of the belief that the Eighth Doctor began fighting the Time War or at least the early parts of it, then he was killed and regenerated into the Ninth who indeed did appear to see himself for the first time in the mirror in "Rose" he also mentions that he came back to Earth by accident because he was chasing the Nestene Conscienceness after the Time War's conclusion. When we first meet the Ninth Doctor he still seems to have very fresh emotion when talking about the War...that is the impression I have got.

I can't wait for part two.

 

[jamestyler]

I have to agree that it seems like less of a desperate act now. Maybe he chose to end both races as he saw his own people as evil?

 

[EJA]

It was good seeing Gallifrey and the Time Lords again, Timothy Dalton seems to play the role well, but that mad seer character is a blatant rip-off of Dalek Caan.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

So is the Time War Paul McGann's or Ecclestone's doing? I was under the impression it was the ninth...

In "Rose," Eccleston looks in a mirror and is surprised at his appearance. As far as I know, that's been the only indication, one way or another, of which Doctor ended the Time War.

"The Next Doctor" indicates that it was the ninth Doctor that ended the Time War.

Jackson Lake has an infodump in "The Next Doctor" that brainwashes him into thinking he's the Doctor. When the Doctor toggles it, it shows on the wall images of Hartnell through Tennant in order. The Doctor says this came from the Cybermen in the Void, and that it contained information from the Daleks. The Daleks in the Void were the ones the Doctor sent there in "Doomsday." The Daleks in "Doomsday" came from the Dalek Voidship that was placed there either before or during the Time War. Not just the four that were the Cult of Skaro, but the Daleks stored within the Genesis Arc. Ergo, all the Daleks in "Doomsday" were Time War-era Daleks (or before). These Daleks had an image of the ninth Doctor. It therefore follows that the ninth Doctor was known to the Daleks during (or even before the beginning of) the Time War. Thus, it would be Eccleston, not McGann, that would be the Doctor on "the last day of the Time War," and it would be Eccleston, not McGann, that ended the Time War.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

^ Didn't those Daleks have some rudimentary time travel ability and therefore could have been able to see a future Doctor?


Or, since Caan broke the time lock, that information could have come from him.

 

[The Wormhole]

As I understand, RTD once claimed that it was always his intention that it was the Ninth Doctor that fought and ended the Time War. Though most fans choose to believe it was the Eighth anyway.

The Doctor commenting on his appearance in the episode Rose could imply that he had recentally regenerated, but then that would mean those pictures of him that were on the conspiracy guy's web site were taken after the events of the episode. And if that's the case, why wasn't Rose in the pictures?

I doubt The End of Time is going to clear anything up. After all, I saw neither Paul McGann or Christopher Eccleston in the guest cast for the episode.

 

[Jax]

I wonder if the last day of the Time War is repeating itself over and over forerver because that women says time kept bringing back the dead for new ways to die...No wonder hes pissed hell maybe he is Romana (is it ? the one who can change gender.) It does look like the Time Lords are dangerously insane at this point so should be an explosive finale.

 

[Tom]

Keep in mind that although the timelords are master od time and space they can't not see ahead int here there own timeline (the Casual Nexus I believe), it exited out side of normal space/time. This can explain why they have a Seer.

Also maybe the woman that was vaporized was Romana in another regeneration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! President: Shut up Romana..Zap!

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Wow, the opening shot was amazing!

However, this means Roman wasn't Lord President at the end of the Time War.

Also, the last five seconds...

 

[Hartzilla2007]

The Doctor commenting on his appearance in the episode Rose could imply that he had recentally regenerated, but then that would mean those pictures of him that were on the conspiracy guy's web site were taken after the events of the episode. And if that's the case, why wasn't Rose in the pictures?

The Doctor could have been gone for who lnows how long from his perspective before coming back to mention that he can travel through time.

 

[Jax]

In my earlier post I said Romana, I meant could Dalton's character been Rani by any chance? I've never seen much of Old Who because it was canned the year I was born. Rani can change gener right ? and for a war seems like Rani would be a good choice of some sort of leader.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I'm still curious to see what kind of part Verity Newman and the Journal of Impossible Things plays in part two...not that I think it's going to be a major plot point or anything.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I'm still curious to see what kind of part Verity Newman and the Journal of Impossible Things plays in part two...not that I think it's going to be a major plot point or anything.

It comes very near the end of the episode based on the scene number.

Spoiler: My theory...

I'm firmly in the Reset Camp, in terms of where I think RTD is going with the story, that history will collapse and the universe will revert to its pre-Time War state. The scene in the bookstore comes, as we know, near the end, along with the scenes with Rose and Jack and Sarah Jane and Luke. Assuming the reset, I suspect that before history collapses and his own past unhappens, the Doctor will travel backward through his own timeline, to say goodbye to people that, ultimately, he will never know. The bookstore may be an indication that he's reached the pre-Time War universe, that history has collapsed and rebooted, and that his own life has now become fiction.

 

[Tom]

I'm firmly in the Reset Camp, in terms of where I think RTD is going with the story, that history will collapse and the universe will revert to its pre-Time War state. The scene in the bookstore comes, as we know, near the end, along with the scenes with Rose and Jack and Sarah Jane and Luke. Assuming the reset, I suspect that before history collapses and his own past unhappens, the Doctor will travel backward through his own timeline, to say goodbye to people that, ultimately, he will never know. The bookstore may be an indication that he's reached the pre-Time War universe, that history has collapsed and rebooted, and that his own life has now become fiction.[/spoiler]

Thats pretty heavy..

 

[Jax]

If that theory holds water then that would also solve what they mean by the Doctors death, not only a regeneration but that his life never happened so his stories/legend is dead also...

Spoiler: Rumor Spoiler about 11th aka Matt Sith

It might also explain rumors of why The 11th Doctor might suffer from memory loss, a rumor I heard

EDIT - Ah just thought there can't be a complete reboot of the timeline because of the spinoff shows ? especially Torchwood and Jack himself being a fixed point.

 

[intrinsical]

I remembered an interview with Steven Moffat a couple of months ago, where he was asked by BBC's marketing department if his Doctor Who is called Series 1 or Series 11? This old news does seem to support the idea of a reset.

 

[Jax]

I remembered an interview with Steven Moffat a couple of months ago, where he was asked by BBC's marketing department if his Doctor Who is called Series 1 or Series 11? This old news does seem to support the idea of a reset.

There must be a catch somehow though because a complete reboot would null Torchwood/Jack and god know how the fanbase would react to Rose and even Donna being shafted out of the Universe. Though Jack could be protected because he is fixed in time but even if thats true any Torchwood season 4 would be him on his own needing a new everything and the entire audience will need to know the events of End of time.

 

[Marc]

reading some of the theories - why am I getting a These Are The Voyages feeling?

 

[Jax]

reading some of the theories - why am I getting a These Are The Voyages feeling?

Trips death was forced in that it was painfully slow n akward, I don't see this happening with the Doctor am sure his death while sad will fit the story and what was needed for the conclusion...Also I don't forsee a fat John Frankes in a time lord costume poping up to watch events

That women who spoke to Wilf who seems to be able to forsee stuff, I wonder if they are the few beings I've heard off whose power is greater than the Time Lords? (eternals maybe). I don't believe the time lords are fully behind this.