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What was the reason for the low ratings of "Enterprise"?

Is it my imagination, or did someone call "Sarah Connor" a good show?
Mach5, there are plenty of people who like shows and films that you don't like. It's really not necessary to make a drive-by snide comment about it at every opportunity. IDIC, okay?

If you have substantive constructive criticism to offer about a show or movie, you're welcome to find or start a thread in the appropriate forum and have at it.
 
I didn't even get to see Enterprise on UPN. We didn't have the channel here the time, so the CBS affiliate picked it up and showed it at the very convenient time of Saturday of Saturday at 3 am, if I was lucky. I gave up on the show for a while during the second season when the episodes were just flat out terrible. Season 3 was top notch though. If they had started with that instead of mediocre exploration with a confusing TCW arc, the show might have lasted at least 5 seasons.
 
What do I normally say in these threads? Oh yes...

28 seasons of Trek had fans on overload.
Half of the country did not have access to the show because of the limited network coverage.
They were running out of ideas for episodes.
Some network exec's expected too much from a science fiction series and other network exec's hated scifi.
 
It makes me very sad, especially reading what the 5th season might have contained :(

It was pretty much unwatchable in my country, aired very late at night often at a different time than listed, bumped in favor of sports for weeks on end.
 
ANiS is like Transformers 2 in a way... Tons of people rushed to see it on opening day, but a few of them actually liked it...

BTW, I did post a chart which clearly shows that ANiS stopped the positive trend, and started the negative one... I'm sorry, stats don't lie.

However, ANiS didn't get ENT canceled, its a dismissible early season filler anyway. Studio execs killed the show and spat on four decades of tradition like it meant nothing...
 
It sucks. I personally hate reality shows and think some really wonderful shows suffer because of it. I sometimes wish we were like England and had a tax for good programming rather than depend on advertising. Our PBS, our viewer-supported television station, makes very little and manages to bring mostly documentary programming. Ken Burns voice overs are a lot cheaper than high-quality actors and special effects.

Same here. The participants in most of the reality shows are people with no self-respect or dignity, who are usually ready to humiliate themselves in every possible way just for the money. It's neither educational nor entertaining.

4. Creative misdirection. I think the Temporal Cold War was poorly conceived and executed, one among many creative missteps that didn't mine the richness of the pre-Fed. backdrop. Only in the last season did they seem to get it, and Manny Coto started building up to the Romulan War, but my one issue with the fourth season was it was so plot driven, trying to connect all these dots that the characters often got lost in the shuffle.

I agree. If they had included some of the Season 4 story arcs in the first two seasons, the show might have lasted much longer.
 
BTW, I did post a chart which clearly shows that ANiS stopped the positive trend, and started the negative one... I'm sorry, stats don't lie.
But viewed in isolation, they cannot tell the whole story.

That chart does not appear to include any figures for advertising, competing shows, market clearance, uncounted weekend and TiVO viewers, network pre-emptions, schedule changes, demographics, ratings for other UPN shows, the changing dynamic of the television landscape because of the increasing popularity of cable and splintering of audiences, or other elements brought up in this thread, for the ensuing 67 episodes.

There were a great many elements in play.
 
Funny, Star Trek wasn't cancelled after ANIS. The world and Star Trek survived so that argument is incorrect.

"Enterprise" is definetely my favourite Trek show (especially the third season) , so I was wondering what was the reason for its low ratings, sometimes below 3 million viewers per episode.

I am not from the US, but I know that the competition for the TV market there is really severe and many good shows such as "Firefly" or "Sarah Connor" simply couldn't survive more than a season or two. Unlike them "Star Trek" has a much larger and devoted fan base, so I can't figure out why it didn't have better ratings.
You know, this is a really good question and I think it speaks to Americans' viewing habits and what capitalism will get ya. Firefly (an excellent show -- high quality, great actors, good writing) couldn't last a year, but Survivor has been on for about 8 years.

Economics.

1. Science fiction shows take more money to make. After paying actors, crew, writers, etc., they also have to pay for special effects. Reality shows are much cheaper to make.
2. People watch reality shows. (Unfortunately.) Enough watch in order for people to want to advertise; the variety of viewers is fairly wide. Science fiction shows have a narrow audience; only specific advertisers might be interested.
3. Because reality shows are cheaper and because they might bring in more advertising, they earn more income.

It sucks. I personally hate reality shows and think some really wonderful shows suffer because of it. I sometimes wish we were like England and had a tax for good programming rather than depend on advertising. Our PBS, our viewer-supported television station, makes very little and manages to bring mostly documentary programming. Ken Burns voice overs are a lot cheaper than high-quality actors and special effects.

I love this reply. Spot on.
 
I never found anything particularly wrong with A Night in Sickbay. You can't really blame one episode on the cancellation. Spock's Brain wasn't the reason Star Trek got cancelled.
 
That chart does not appear to include any figures for advertising, competing shows, market clearance
Curious... Did any of these figures you speak of change over night to cause ratings to free-fall like they did?
Here is an informative article on Enterprise and its ratings trouble: Star Trek: Enterprise: Ratings troubles


Interestingly, no individual episode is cited as a reason for the show's low ratings. In fact, it's pointed out that Season 3 and 4 were highly praised. The article does discuss many other elements, among them:
  • The poor box office performance in 2002 of Star Trek: Nemesis.
  • UPN's lack of promotion for the series.
  • The constant preemptions of the show by major affiliates in favor of local sports coverage (and even for a presidential debate in 2004). Affiliates in Orlando and Boston pulled Enterprise out of the Friday timeslot altogether in Season 4, rescheduling the show on another night and replacing it with local sports coverage.
  • The "rerun effect": fans reported opting to watch the weekend rebroadcasts by UPN affiliates, which were not counted by Nielsen.
  • Berman's claim that "franchise fatigue" (Trek on TV since 1987) resulted in a poorer reception for the newest show.
  • UPN moving the show to the Friday night "death slot" (which killed TOS) in Season 4. BTW, Enterprise got better ratings on Fridays than UPN's previous programming, and was UPN's top-rated dramatic show in December 2004.
  • The departure of Paramount Network TV prez Garry Hart and other supporters of Enterprise at Paramount and UPN in 2004-- the critical time when support for the show was so important.
  • Fans increasingly choosing to tape or TiVo episodes rather than watch the original broadcasts. Enterprise was the 25th most popular Season Pass on TiVO in the USA in the fall of 2004. Nielsen didn't count TiVo.
Also from the article:
During an online chat at startrek.com on February 11, 2005, and later repeated in other media, Scott Bakula stated that the major reason for the show's cancellation is that it no longer fit the profile or desired demographic of UPN (the network's schedule primarily consists of so-called "urban" sitcoms and reality programming). He also said that major changes to the management of both Paramount and UPN during 2003-2004 resulted in past supporters of Star Trek departing the organization (most notably the aforementioned Garry Hart). Bakula said the series was to have been cancelled at the end of the 2003-2004 season, but support from Hart and others earned the show one final year.

As for the episode ratings, a look at all of the ratings in relation to each other is more informative than simply glancing at the three episodes that followed "A Night in Sickbay." Wikipedia has a chart listing all Enterprise episodes and their Nielsen ratings.

Two major elements that typically help a viewer to decide whether or not to watch next week's episode are 1) the viewer's enjoyment (or lack thereof) of this week's episode, and 2) the preview for next week's episode, and whether it piques his interest.


For example, take Season 2. (Of course, we aren't factoring in pre-emptions or viewing habits or any of the other stuff mentioned above that were also in play.)
  • "Carbon Creek": 4.84 million viewers.
  • "Minefield": increased to 5.25 million, indicating that "Carbon Creek" was positively received, and the ad for "Minefield" looked intriguing.
  • "Dead Stop": increased to 5.41 million.
  • "A Night in Sickbay": increased to 6.26 million. I remember the preview ad that was shown at the end of "Dead Stop," and would have been shown all week on UPN's other shows. It emphasized humor, Archer's goofy Freudian slips, naked T'Pol in Decon. It look to me like it would be a lot of fun. (And I did enjoy it.)
  • "Marauders": dropped to 5.6 million. We can assume that a measurable amount of viewers didn't care for "ANiS," and/or the ad for "Marauders" didn't indicate a must-see event.
  • "The Seventh" and "The Communicator" had lower audience numbers. But "Singularity's" audience went up. Down for "Vanishing Point." Up for "Precious Cargo." (Probably a lot of Lakshmi in the preview ad for that one.)
And so on for the rest of Season 2, and into Seasons 3 and 4. I don't observe a "steep decline" or an "overnight free-fall." Look at the ratings for a show that is pulled by the network after 4 episodes -- that will be a free-fall. That horrifically stupid caveman sitcom based on the TV ads, a few years back? Free-fall.)

The ratings for Enterprise go up and down, up and down, likely because of what the viewer saw the week before and whether or not he enjoyed it. It's very interesting to observe the connections. Gradually, over time, because of the myriad factors working against the show, the ratings declined overall.

Everybody has their Enterprise episodes that they hate. But one episode in a show's second season-- an episode that has many fans as well as detractors-- doesn't have the power or impact to alter an entire country's viewing habits overnight. (Unless you're talking about Howard Beale in "Network." ;) ) It's the impression over time. It's whether the show's studio and network are supporting it, promoting it, demonstrating their faith in it. It's whether or not people are even able to see the show (increasingly rare by Season 4), and whether their viewer habits are taken into account by an antiquated rating system such as Nielsen, which didn't adapt quickly enough to keep up with alternate viewing choices.
 
The "micro" reason is that the Berman formula that ENT depended on for the first two seasons had long since lost its appeal to more than a niche audience of a few million die-hards who will watch anything as long as it has people wearing Starfleet uniforms.

The "macro" reason is that TV in general has been undergoing a long-term trend towards balkanization as audiences shift from networks to cable (Americans are actually watching more TV than ever). Metworks will never again enjoy the mass audiences they used to in the heyday of the 70s-80s, when you could have 80M people watching Roots or the final episode of M*A*S*H.

Nowadays the game is figuring out how to survive on a puny audience of 2-3M. But puny by whose standards? On premium cable, that's a monster hit. On basic cable, it's respectable. On network TV, it's cancelled. Yet that seems to be what people want - if you're not a truly lowest-common-demonemator show like American Idol or CSI, you better be able to survive on a niche audience because even if you premiere strongly, you'll steadily shed viewers till you hit that puny niche audience.

The moral of the story is that you can find an audience for pretty much anything. ENT's audience was around 4M at the end, which is more than such well-respected, famous names as Dexter, Breaking Bad, Damages, and Mad Men. If ENT was more popular than shows like those that run for years without any threat of being cancelled, then clearly it's not the content at fault. It's the business model. Sci fi is niche by definition so cable, not network TV, is where the business model makes the best fit.

TiVO and other DVR systems may or may not help in the ratings battle. Since 40% of ads are apparently not zapped, there should be some value to advertisers even for time-shifted viewing. It's hard to get a clear picture of this since it's spin city out there, with networks arguing the advertisers should pay full freight and advertisers digging in their heels and refusing to pay a cent. And everyone issues press releases and BS "studies" to back up their claims, so you'll read all sorts of stuff on the internet but you should take it with a bushel of salt - it's pushing someone's agenda but who knows what the connection to reality might be?

Paid and ad-supported downloads are still an insignificant fraction of the overall TV business.

I sometimes wish we were like England and had a tax for good programming rather than depend on advertising. Our PBS, our viewer-supported television station, makes very little and manages to bring mostly documentary programming. Ken Burns voice overs are a lot cheaper than high-quality actors and special effects.
You just argued against yourself. Why should my tax dollars go to PBS when they're not the folks who produce the Futuramas, Fireflys, Farscapes, DS9s, and BSGs I want to watch? Sure, the documentaries are nice, but are we really willing to rely on government bureaucrats to give us kick-ass space opera? Is that what they'd regard as "good for us" (and that would have to be the standard they use, to justify the use of our taxes.) I shudder to think of what kind of sci fi a government bureacrat would regard as "good for us" and sincerely doubt it would be worth wasting ten seconds on. I think something they'd regard as bad for us would be a lot closer to the mark. :rommie:

But what would really happen is this: the majority of people who aren't sci fi fans would howl bloody murder that their money is being used on some stupid crap about spaceships and aliens. They howl when they're money is used to get them health care, can you imagine if anyone dared use tax dollars to make Star Trek? The only stuff the bureaucrats would dare produce is the most bland, inoffensive, uncontroversial shows possible. All the stuff worth watching would continue to be on cable, which is really where Star Trek needs to be if it's ever going to be worth watching.
 
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I'm going with an evil plot by our Lizard-men overlords, because Enterprise was used to transmit messages to the resistance.
 
I sometimes wish we were like England and had a tax for good programming rather than depend on advertising. Our PBS, our viewer-supported television station, makes very little and manages to bring mostly documentary programming. Ken Burns voice overs are a lot cheaper than high-quality actors and special effects.

As someone who lives in a post communist country I can assure you that the idea is not good. You may find out that your money is spent on bombs instead of Sci-Fi shows.:)
 
I'd say Trek fatigue. Voyager really just sucked the love for the franchise out of me, personally. I turned off the TV in season 4 of VOY, and the next Trek I watched were ENT DVDs in 2007. I think if ENT had aired in 2002 or 2003, it would've done much better.

Also, the very nature of the show was a problem -- its core attempt to get back to the old-school, often lighthearted sci-fi adventure style of TOS outraged the Trekkie Taliban, who require Star Trek to be an hour of boring, pompous pseudo-moralizing, meaningless technobabble, heavy-handed messages of tolerance and then an inverse tachyon beam deus ex machina every week. They turned off their TVs with righteous nerd rage. Nobody else even gave it a chance, because they'd had 15 years of said boring, pompous pseudo-moralizing, meaningless technobabble, heavy-handed messages of tolerance and then inverse tachyon beams, and were thoroughly sick of it.

I was in the second group. Now, having watched the DVDs and gotten hooked, I really wish I'd supported the show more when it was on. Or that they'd taken a break for a year in between VOY and ENT, to let us develop an appetite again.
 
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