"Look, a sailboat!"I love MALLRATS.
I know what it's like to be part of a maligned and hated minority.
You mean...TATV is like the back of a Volkswagen?
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You mean...TATV is like the back of a Volkswagen?
No, TATV is like Ethan Suplee at the peek of his obesity."Look, a sailboat!"I love MALLRATS.
I know what it's like to be part of a maligned and hated minority.
You mean...TATV is like the back of a Volkswagen?
No, TATV is like Ethan Suplee at the peek of his obesity.
"It's not a proper FINALE!! And I'm gonna stand here and keep looking until I see one!!"
three words:bad, weird, horrific. as well as 'all good things....' closed out tng, this one threatens the legacy of what was really an underrated show.i admired enterprise a great deal, but there's no denying it.....this one one belongs in the crapper.and why kill off tucker? makes no sense to me
I sure feel that way sometimes...but I SHALL GO ON-FOR THE ROBAU STANDS BEHIND ME, SHAKING HIS FIST AT ALL ME FOES!!I love MALLRATS.
I know what it's like to be part of a maligned and hated minority.
No matter how well the writers intentions were, putting the spotlight on a couple of characters from a previous series is blasphemy. And what they did to Tripp was even more random than what happened to Tasha Yar.
After four long years during which I had the time to calm down....I still cannot fathom that a mere few days after Trip's death, Bermaga scripted Hoshi, Travis, and MALCOLM! of all people sitting in an auditorium bitching that they didn't have a VIP chair. A stinking chair. 
There was no reaction to the death of Malcolm's dearest friend.
Nothing
You script the death of a main character to PLAY THE FALLOUT. To see the reaction. There was nothing. It boggled the imagination. Trip's death was treated almost as a non event. He had no connection to the further Trek history. It's like they took a butcher knife and gutted his remains from Trek history. Not to mention the absolute stupidity of tying the episode to Pegasus. IT MADE NO SENSE.
They had a perfect home run with "Terra Prime." Archer made a brilliant speech foreshadowing the formation of the federation. Hoshi showed she was timid no more. Trip saved Starfleet from attack. He and T'Pol lost their child, but their clasping of hands as a sun rose over the planet foreshadowed the friendship and unfication of two peoples...of Sarek and Amanda. It was perfection.
And then they ruined it.
Thank the maker for "The Good that Men Do." I could have stomached Trip's death had it been done to save his daughter and T'Pol, so something of him could have remained. If his death had been treated like it should have been treated. But it was nothing. I'm too spoiled by my new favorite genre show, Supernatural. The hero's brother died, and he made a deal with a crossroads demon to get him back and spent 40 years in hell before being rescued. 40 years of being tortured. Now that's a reaction.
There was no reaction to the death of Malcolm's dearest friend. Nothing
You script the death of a main character to PLAY THE FALLOUT. To see the reaction. There was nothing. It boggled the imagination. Trip's death was treated almost as a non event. He had no connection to the further Trek history. It's like they took a butcher knife and gutted his remains from Trek history. Not to mention the absolute stupidity of tying the episode to Pegasus. IT MADE NO SENSE.
They had a perfect home run with "Terra Prime." Archer made a brilliant speech foreshadowing the formation of the federation. Hoshi showed she was timid no more. Trip saved Starfleet from attack. He and T'Pol lost their child, but their clasping of hands as a sun rose over the planet foreshadowed the friendship and unfication of two peoples...of Sarek and Amanda. It was perfection.
And then they ruined it.
Thank the maker for "The Good that Men Do." I could have stomached Trip's death had it been done to save his daughter and T'Pol, so something of him could have remained. If his death had been treated like it should have been treated. But it was nothing. I'm too spoiled by my new favorite genre show, Supernatural. The hero's brother died, and he made a deal with a crossroads demon to get him back and spent 40 years in hell before being rescued. 40 years of being tortured. Now that's a reaction.I took the episode as a big FU! from B&B
After watching the show for 4 years, buying books and really enjoying the characters we get a TNG episode that made no sense and shat all over the characters, even Troi and Riker.
Watch T'Pol in the scene when she goes to Trip's quarters after his "death" and smells his coveralls. Jolene wasn't a happy camper.
At least some of the cast had the guts to voice their disappointment about this lacklustre piece of spite.
After watching the show for 4 years, buying books and really enjoying the characters we get a TNG episode that made no sense and shat all over the characters, even Troi and Riker.
Watch T'Pol in the scene when she goes to Trip's quarters after his "death" and smells his coveralls. Jolene wasn't a happy camper.
At least some of the cast had the guts to voice their disappointment about this lacklustre piece of spite.
TATV wrecked both the ENT and TNG characters. It was an insult. If they had to have a 'full circle' thing back to where it all began, why not do TOS? They already had the Connie sets from 'In A Mirror Darkly'.
VOY should have had one more coda episode after Endgame.
ENT should have ended with Demons/Terra Prime. Nuff said.
^ Because they couldn't get Shatner to pretend he was having a moral dilemma in the middle of the Corbomite Maneuver.
I can't believe that fans voted this episode into one of the fan collective dvds. It really was a crappy episode. It's painful to watch Jonathan Frakes trying to pass himself off as TNG-era Riker. He's got a pot belly and a wrinkly face, yet we're supposed to believe that this story took place around the time of "Pegasus." Not only that, but when his old ass leaves the holodeck, the costume he's wearing is automatically replaced by his uniform. They couldn't even do that in "Generations."
I kind of like Star Trek V. I liked the Sybok Character and the interaction between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. I recognize the fact that overall it's a mediocre film, but I still find it enjoyable, despite its many flaws. Had they been given the time and budget to do it right, it might have turned out to be a really good movie.
Which fans? Does anyone remember the actual vote taking place?
This isn't the movies board, but I must ask...
How can a story about a starship reaching the center of the galaxy (26,000 light-years from the Solar system) end up being anything else but bad? BTW, the very idea that a M-class planet (or any planet, for that matter) is located at the galactic central bulge is too ridiculous to even be discussed.
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Hahaha, terrific.
^ Because they couldn't get Shatner to pretend he was having a moral dilemma in the middle of the Corbomite Maneuver.
But personally, I don't think TATV is that bad. Maybe because I'm not much of a Trip fan.
Okay, but this is Star Trek we're talking about. Not an Arthur C. Clarke novel.
Hahaha, terrific.
^ Because they couldn't get Shatner to pretend he was having a moral dilemma in the middle of the Corbomite Maneuver.
But personally, I don't think TATV is that bad. Maybe because I'm not much of a Trip fan.
I'm not much a Trip fan myself...but we still have a Troi and Riker who look wayyyy out of place....
It's like having the TOS actors in 1990, in a film set during the five-year-mission, wearing the uniforms from that time...and asking the audience not to notice a thing.
From Trekmovie's VegasCon09 coverage:
Gotta love Jonathan Frakes... And I do feel sorry for him. A Trek giant like him deserves better than to have his final ST appearance be something like this...
http://trekmovie.com/2009/08/07/veg...h-frakes-dorn-clowning-klingons-singing-more/
Gotta love Jonathan Frakes... And I do feel sorry for him. A Trek giant like him deserves better than to have his final ST appearance be something like this...
Just what I've been saying about Leonard Nimoy.
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