Nero's wife???

[Kemaiku]

If I remember this scene correctly it was when Spock was meeting with the Romulan council to deliver his Red Matter plan, if so the "winged" ears fit in nicely with both the Romulan bird emblom and the more batlike features of the Remans.

 

[Mach5]

If I remember this scene correctly it was when Spock was meeting with the Romulan council to deliver his Red Matter plan,

These two Romulans show up on screen at exact moment when Spock Prime says "I promised the Romulans that I would save their planet."

So these two being Vulcans wouldn't make much sense...

 

[M'Sharak]

(also aplogies to Wormhole and M'Sharak if offence was casued earlier. The end of my post was meant more lightly than it seems looking back)

If that was a misread on my part, then I apologize. Sometimes sarcasm and humor don't come across as clearly as they were intended.

Edit:

If I remember this scene correctly it was when Spock was meeting with the Romulan council to deliver his Red Matter plan,

These two Romulans show up on screen at exact moment when Spock Prime says "I promised the Romulans that I would save their planet."

So these two being Vulcans wouldn't make much sense...

So, then, assuming that these two are Romulans, one could ask why, of all the Romulans seen in all of the versions of Trek--whether military officers, Tal Shiar, members of the Senate or ordinary civilians--are Nero and his crew the only ones seen to be wearing the tattoo-and-shaved-head look? Even without the explanation offered in the Countdown comics, it would be easily to infer that the permanent markings are something extraordinary among Romulans, rather than commonplace -- possibly even unique to that one group of survivors.

Remember that Nero says to Pike in their viewscreen conversation: "I do not speak for the Empire. We stand apart." That's a clue, I'm thinking.

 

[Devon]

Sometimes sarcasm and humor don't come across as clearly as they were intended.

Isn't that the tag line for "The Jay Leno Show?"

 

[M'Sharak]

Sometimes sarcasm and humor don't come across as clearly as they were intended.

Isn't that the tag line for "The Jay Leno Show?"

You could be right. Don't sue me for borrowing it, NBC.

 

[therealfoxbat]

So, then, assuming that these two are Romulans, one could ask why, of all the Romulans seen in all of the versions of Trek--whether military officers, Tal Shiar, members of the Senate or ordinary civilians--are Nero and his crew the only ones seen to be wearing the tattoo-and-shaved-head look? Even without the explanation offered in the Countdown comics, it would be easily to infer that the permanent markings are something extraordinary among Romulans, rather than commonplace -- possibly even unique to that one group of survivors.

Remember that Nero says to Pike in their viewscreen conversation: "I do not speak for the Empire. We stand apart." That's a clue, I'm thinking.

Let's see...

Shaved heads...
Tattoos...
Hates the Federation BEYOND passionately...

Maybe these guys are Romulan Anarchist Militia Skinheads...

 

[The Wormhole]

But now you're assume he would need to get past 24th Century Starfleet, nothing in the move implies this (that is only an aspect of Countdown), just he was in pursuit of Spock after he realized his planet had been killed.

He was pursuing Spock so that he could get the Red Matter and then use it to destroy Vulcan, Earth and so on, or so I remember it being implied in the movie.

No, I don't think they are (at least not the black guy). I don't know if you've noticed, but Vulcan and Romulan ears don't exactly look the same in ST XI.

The black guy is definately Vulcan. Note the pointed sideburns. That style is unique to Federation citizens.

(also aplogies to Wormhole and M'Sharak if offence was casued earlier. The end of my post was meant more lightly than it seems looking back)

No worries. I never take anything anyone says online personally.

 

[Sharr Khan]

He was pursuing Spock so that he could get the Red Matter and then use it to destroy Vulcan, Earth and so on, or so I remember it being implied in the movie.

But not running from or attacking Starfleet which is never implied in the movie, and the Jellyfish was pretty much out gunned but for its red matter.

The way the movie shows it, Nero returns home to find his planet dead and Spock close by and he follows him to the super, super, super nova. The 24th Century Starfleet is never seen so at no time is Narada's strength against a vessel of the era put to the test.

Sharr

 

[Mach5]

No, I don't think they are (at least not the black guy). I don't know if you've noticed, but Vulcan and Romulan ears don't exactly look the same in ST XI.

The black guy is definately Vulcan. Note the pointed sideburns. That style is unique to Federation citizens.

Dude, srsly... Why are you even posting in ST XI forum?

 

[M'Sharak]

No, I don't think they are (at least not the black guy). I don't know if you've noticed, but Vulcan and Romulan ears don't exactly look the same in ST XI.

The black guy is definately Vulcan. Note the pointed sideburns. That style is unique to Federation citizens.

Dude, srsly... Why are you even posting in ST XI forum?

He's been participating in and contributing to discussions here since the beginning of the forum and I see no reason why he shouldn't continue to do so, if he feels like it. Please refrain from making posts like this.

 

[cooleddie74]

I couldn't tell for certain, but did Nero's wife have a TOS-style or TNG-style forehead? The blurriness of the hologram in a few shots made it hard to tell. The COUNTDOWN graphic novel depicts her with a smooth brow and forehead but the makeup in the film at one or two brief points makes it appear she might have had TNG-era brow creases.

 

[Mach5]

I couldn't tell for certain, but did Nero's wife have a TOS-style or TNG-style forehead? The blurriness of the hologram in a few shots made it hard to tell. The COUNTDOWN graphic novel depicts her with a smooth brow and forehead but the makeup in the film at one or two brief points makes it appear she might have had TNG-era brow creases.

I think she's got a TOS style forhead, but ST XI Romulans don't exactly have human-like foreheads either...

Look at this guy, for example:
(this is from the makeup tests, I don't know if he actually showed up in the movie)

Now check out this guy here. These almost look like those TNG-style V-shaped brow ridges:

 

[M'Sharak]

I couldn't tell for certain, but did Nero's wife have a TOS-style or TNG-style forehead? The blurriness of the hologram in a few shots made it hard to tell. The COUNTDOWN graphic novel depicts her with a smooth brow and forehead but the makeup in the film at one or two brief points makes it appear she might have had TNG-era brow creases.

Look again at the links I posted back here. Doesn't look TNG ridge-Romulan to me.

 

[cooleddie74]

Thanks for the pics and help, guys. Yeah I suppose the movie makeup for the Romulans sort of exists in its own little unique subcategory given the shape of some of the heads. The TNG-era/2387 Romulans we see in Spock's mind-meld flashback sequence look almost Vulcan by comparison. I suppose Abrams and the crew wanted a little variety in their Romulan head shapes.

 

[M'Sharak]

You can detect a slight eyebrow/bridge-of-nose prosthetic on Nero and Ayel (and the same for the rest of the Narada crew, what little you see of them) but it's pretty subtle -- nothing nearly as pronounced as the TNG/DS9 Romulan V-ridge.