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ALICE IN WONDERLAND new trailer online

Well, I think it looks pretty awesome, myself. Different strokes, I suppose.

I loved the trailer too. Seems like there is loads of Tim Burton hate here. Don't know why. Like most directors he is hit and miss in terms of making good movies. I really love Sleepy Hollow, Edward Scissorhands, Batman and Batman Returns.
 
Well, I think it looks pretty awesome, myself. Different strokes, I suppose.

I loved the trailer too. Seems like like there is loads of Tim Burton hate here. Don't know why. Like most directors he is hit and miss in terms of good movies. However I do love several of his movies. I love Sleepy Hollow, Edward Scissorhands, Batman and Batman Returns.

A lot of us are just getting really tired of his style. Most of his movies in recent years have looked way too similar. Weird and creepy for the sake of being weird and creepy.
 
So wait, is Helena Bonham Carter playing The Queen of Hearts or The Red Queen or did they combine the characters for the movie?

Those are two separate characters?

Now I think I need to read the book. I have no idea what's going on.

From the trailer the movie does not appear to be the same story as Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland or Through the Looking Glass, but some sort of sequel to both, which honestly makes it less interesting to me, though the screenwriter, Linda Woolverton, did pen both The Lion King and Beauty and the Beast, both of which are excellent stories.

As for weird and creepy for the sake of being weird and creepy - you definitely should read the books 'cause Burton doesn't have half the weird and creepy imagination that Carroll had. Considering that many critics believe Carroll wrote the story due to his being in love with 11 year old Alice Liddell, everything about Alice is pretty weird and creepy, which is why it's fascinating that it remains such a compelling fictional creation.
 
Looks slick, then again I'm biased as I''m a big Burton fan.

So wait, is Helena Bonham Carter playing The Queen of Hearts or The Red Queen or did they combine the characters for the movie?

Those are two separate characters?

Now I think I need to read the book. I have no idea what's going on.

From the trailer the movie does not appear to be the same story as Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland or Through the Looking Glass, but some sort of sequel to both, which honestly makes it less interesting to me, though the screenwriter, Linda Woolverton, did pen both The Lion King and Beauty and the Beast, both of which are excellent stories.

As for weird and creepy for the sake of being weird and creepy - you definitely should read the books 'cause Burton doesn't have half the weird and creepy imagination that Carroll had. Considering that many critics believe Carroll wrote the story due to his being in love with 11 year old Alice Liddell, everything about Alice is pretty weird and creepy, which is why it's fascinating that it remains such a compelling fictional creation.
I had a lit-teacher that swore up and down that Caroll was high on opium and that the Alice novels were largely his drug trip experiences.
 
I loved the trailer too. Seems like like there is loads of Tim Burton hate here. Don't know why. Like most directors he is hit and miss in terms of good movies. However I do love several of his movies. I love Sleepy Hollow, Edward Scissorhands, Batman and Batman Returns.

A lot of us are just getting really tired of his style. Most of his movies in recent years have looked way too similar. Weird and creepy for the sake of being weird and creepy.
Indeed.

It's not hate. Burton makes movies in his own personal style, one I don't enjoy. Full respect to him for doing what he loves, and to those who genuinely dig it, but the corollary to that respect is that neither he nor his supporters should take offense if his uncompromising pursuit of that style turns some people off from the get-go.
 
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I loved the trailer too. Seems like like there is loads of Tim Burton hate here. Don't know why. Like most directors he is hit and miss in terms of good movies. However I do love several of his movies. I love Sleepy Hollow, Edward Scissorhands, Batman and Batman Returns.

A lot of us are just getting really tired of his style. Most of his movies in recent years have looked way too similar. Weird and creepy for the sake of being weird and creepy.
Indeed.

It's not hate. Burton makes movies in his own personal style, one I don't enjoy. Full respect to him for doing what he loves, and to those who genuinely dig it, but the corollary to that respect is that neither he nor his supporters should take offense if his uncompromising pursuit of that style turns some people off from the get-go.
I fully get why Burton isn't to everyone's tastes. And some of the legit criticisms that get lobbed at him are earned-- sacrificing story for style at times is one I've heard a lot.
 
From the trailer the movie does not appear to be the same story as Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland or Through the Looking Glass, but some sort of sequel to both, which honestly makes it less interesting to me, though the screenwriter, Linda Woolverton, did pen both The Lion King and Beauty and the Beast, both of which are excellent stories.

Funny. It's the reverse for me. If this was yet another movie of the books I probably wouldn't be very interested. There already way too many out there.
 
It's Disney, therefore likely a sequel to the Disney film, and in that I believe the two Queens were amalgamated there as well. Doesn't seem so surprising.

As for weird and creepy for the sake of being weird and creepy - you definitely should read the books 'cause Burton doesn't have half the weird and creepy imagination that Carroll had.
Also, I doubt this will be creepy. Just weird. But then I'm of the opinion Burton is never or rarely actually creepy, as much as he dwells in and recites Gothic tropes and visual cues in his movies. The only thing dark is his colour palette, and even then not so in this film.

Edward Scissorhands is my best defence of that - it's a very, very sweet movie. It's odd and weird and oh so very Goth, but not creepy. Even his movies with blood in them - Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd - have a noticeable lack of, er, edge.
 
It's Disney, therefore likely a sequel to the Disney film, and in that I believe the two Queens were amalgamated there as well. Doesn't seem so surprising.

As for weird and creepy for the sake of being weird and creepy - you definitely should read the books 'cause Burton doesn't have half the weird and creepy imagination that Carroll had.
Also, I doubt this will be creepy. Just weird. But then I'm of the opinion Burton is never or rarely actually creepy, as much as he dwells in and recites Gothic tropes and visual cues in his movies. The only thing dark is his colour palette, and even then not so in this film.

Edward Scissorhands is my best defence of that - it's a very, very sweet movie. It's odd and weird and oh so very Goth, but not creepy. Even his movies with blood in them - Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd - have a noticeable lack of, er, edge.

I'm not sure people mean "creepy" as in Lovecraft (i.e. provoking dread or fear), more creepy as in Dali. Surrealism freaks a lot of folks out.
 
I'm not sure people mean "creepy" as in Lovecraft (i.e. provoking dread or fear), more creepy as in Dali. Surrealism freaks a lot of folks out.

Ah. Fair point. But as far as surrealism goes, Burton's still down at the soft, safe end. He's like Vincent in that short of his; imagining foul things but basically harmless.

Though a Burton directed Lovecraft... Johnny Depp as Cthulhu?
 
I'm not sure people mean "creepy" as in Lovecraft (i.e. provoking dread or fear), more creepy as in Dali. Surrealism freaks a lot of folks out.

Ah. Fair point. But as far as surrealism goes, Burton's still down at the soft, safe end. He's like Vincent in that short of his; imagining foul things but basically harmless.

It's just getting old. I actually don't mind weird/creepy/surreal/whatever...but why do all of his movies have to look like that?
 
Also, I doubt this will be creepy. Just weird. But then I'm of the opinion Burton is never or rarely actually creepy, as much as he dwells in and recites Gothic tropes and visual cues in his movies. The only thing dark is his colour palette, and even then not so in this film.

Edward Scissorhands is my best defence of that - it's a very, very sweet movie. It's odd and weird and oh so very Goth, but not creepy. Even his movies with blood in them - Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd - have a noticeable lack of, er, edge.

I think Edward Scissorhands is wonderful. Sleepy Hollow has plenty of beheadings however there is barely any actual blood from them. It's explained away when we find out that the sword is always burning hot. The only scene that I remember there been much blood is during Ichabod Crane's autopsy which is played for laughs and the nightmare scene which obviously wasn't real. There is lots of violence in Sweeny Todd but it's so over the top that I can't take it too seriously.
 
I'm getting an 'American McGee's Alice' vibe from this trailer.

Any updating of Alice or the like with darker elements ultimately gets a comparison to American McGee's Alice at some point.

True, though the fact that she's having to return to save Wonderland from the mad Queen (different queen in this case) to return it to...er 'normal' makes the comparison a bit more noticeable.
 
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