The film fails when a starship appears small? The entire film?
Didn't like the movie? How would YOU have made it?
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The film fails when a starship appears small? The entire film?
It fails to impress. The film would lose something of the epic scope it would need to convey.
TMP made the Enterprise look huge, then built on that to convety the size of Vejur by showing Vejur close to a tiny Enterprise.
If a film does not convey the Enterprise as something impressive, then it loses the sense of wonder about the 23rd Century needed to draw the audience in to the world being created on screen.
A ship can be impressive no matter its size if it's a decent design.
Oh.
Actually, I can see why they made it so large.
Although I liked the movie, I am hoping it will resolve over the course of a trilogy and restore Vulcan, and the old timeline.
Nice try. In TMP, they implied the impressive size of the ship.
It has to look big and impressive to work on a 40 foot screen at the Cinema.
Something closer to the TOS design might work I guess, but if it stays TOO close to the TOS design, it would simply not work.
TMP's Enterprise always impressed me, and I liked seeing how small it was next to V'ger. The Reliant was even smaller, but it was shown to really tear up bigger ships when needed to.
When I saw the super star destroyer in Empire Strikes Back, the first thing in my mind, besides groaning at its' silliness, was, "Ok, someone there has a very small penis.
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When I saw the super star destroyer in Empire Strikes Back, the first thing in my mind, besides groaning at its' silliness, was, "Ok, someone there has a very small penis.
You might be onto something there. After all, the final lightsabre battle on Mustafar with Obi-Wan left Anakin severly burned and his legs were chopped off. Maybe when Obi-Wan chopped his legs off, he also snipped his penis off. And then being burned could have taken more of the penis away and made whatever was left a useless stump. So, as Darth Vader, he would have been really insecure about his tiny, uselsee stump of a penis, so when it came to designing his own personal Star Destroyer, of course he'd want something so fucking massive it made he already freaking huge Star Destroyers look tiny and insignificant.
Wow, all I need to do now is throw in fanwanky referances to Grand Moff Tarkin, Admiral Piett and Grand Admiral Thrawn and I'd have your typical over-indulgent Star Wars backstory.
I rather liked the movie; it was fun, fast-paced, and energetic. I'd probably just have tweaked a few things:
1. Feature Number One, Gary Mitchell, T'Pau, and Yeoman Rand.
2. Save Chekov for the sequel so no changes to his character are needed.
3. An actual supernova destroying a Romulan colony world would suffice for the purposes of the plot.
4. Employ a team of very grateful nerds on minimum wage to check basic Trek tech in key scenes.
5. Listen to the nerds.
6. Tone down the lens flares.
7. Make Kirk Pike's First Officer at the end (either kill or promote Number One) and finish with Shatner's voice over.
1. Feature Number One, Gary Mitchell, T'Pau, and Yeoman Rand.
2. Save Chekov for the sequel so no changes to his character are needed.
3. An actual supernova destroying a Romulan colony world would suffice for the purposes of the plot.
4. Employ a team of very grateful nerds on minimum wage to check basic Trek tech in key scenes.
5. Listen to the nerds.
6. Tone down the lens flares.
7. Make Kirk Pike's First Officer at the end (either kill or promote Number One) and finish with Shatner's voice over.
Explain.
Without actually making it massive. So what you're saying is TMP did a better job of making the ship impressive. I agree.
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I meant if one of your minimum wage nerds says, 'it takes longer than 30 minutes to fly to Vulcan even at maximum warp', then mention the transit time in dialogue.
It would also have been more sensible to write in a technical glitch that needed repairing rather than the hand brake gag. If the Enterprise is a marvel of modern tech and the fleet only left 30 seconds earlier, and likely consisted of at least some older ships with a lower top speed, it could easily have caught up during the flight to maintain fleet formation.
I would have loved the TMP Enterprise to have been used but I'm not overly concerned by the changes. Probably just done for merchandising purposes.
How long it took to get to Vulcan is not an important plot or character point. It's a "nice to have", but it's one of those things where it's probably best not to go there, because other episodes would be brought up in these very forums to say "No, it's X". "It's actually Y" or "I've calculated it to be Z".
In the end, it's just not necessary for us to know or be told that.
Also, this is a lot of presumption, and while you may be correct, they probably weren't worried about formation beyond getting there, and the time difference would not necessarily be worth the trouble.
Yeah, I don't think you need to mention things like that but it's possible to not not mention it, if that makes sense.
TMP did a great job in that regard, and so did the new movie.
However, the reason they made it larger was that it simply felt too small in the early testing stage when setting things up visually.
In either case, I was not actually saying the words you are putting in my mouth.
I was pointing out the importance of showing the audience a Starship that would make jaws drop, and size is one way to do that visually both inside and out.
Lol but the thread title is: 'How would YOU have made it?" You're supposed to describe the thing's you'd change rather than the things you'd leave alone!
Mind you, I agree that these things are not 'necesary' for the plot (although there's a lot you could change that isn't 'necessary' for the plot) but they are little tweaks that would have dealt with some of the things that I found to be minor annoyances. The fact that my changes would have been minor should be evidence that I rather liked the film overall! A ten second line such as 'Estimated arrival time at Vulcan in 12.4 hours; still no communication." Not crucial but it satisfies a lot of nerds.
I would have writers.
I would give Kirk the Tarsus IV background...
If I had my way about it:
Design-wise
-have the Enterprise look like Deg3D's or Vektor's Enterprises, seen in this forum's Trek Art section - highly detailed, but still similar enough to the original to satisfy the fans of the original series.
-the interior would be similar to the original series, but with traces of Phase II / TMP about it
-each ship has its own emblem, like in the original series
-update the interiors but with some touch, but mostly physical controls. Keep the bridge the same shape as the original series, but make the screens around the bridge actually functional and touch-sensitive. No need for all those point lights and lens-flares
-phasers same general style as TOS, just a bit more 'modern', and no flip-barrels
-tricorders a bit more advanced than in TOS, with a bigger screen, more controls, touch controls also
Character-Wise:
-show April, Pike, and Kirk
-Uhura is not in love with Spock
-Kirk's father served on the Enterprise under Captain April, who says 'it wouldn't be an Enterprise without a Kirk on board.'
-Chekov does not appear anywhere in the bridge, but in the background after Kirk gets command as a freshly minted ensign
Story-wise:
-no need for time-travelling Romulans. It added nothing to the story. get a different villain for Kirk's main mission.
-perhaps a time shard or something is propelling a villain from Captain April's time on the Enterprise forward in time to the point where he can kill April.
-follow Kirk and Spock getting to the Academy
-Kirk's Kobayashi Maru solution isn't so hokey, and a bit more believable that he could've done it.
-Spock isn't his superior officer at the academy
-Show Captain Robert April and the launch of the Enterprise, decked out similarly to how it was in The Cage
-USS Republic aids the USS Enteprise when Pike is fighting the Romulan, with an Ensign Kirk aiding the two ships to fight off the Romulan. This becomes the incident that results in Finney getting his demotion, when leaving the atomic matter piles open during the fight in engineering would've destroyed the ship.
-show April handing the ship over to Pike and Pike choosing Spock as his science officer, and keep Number One.
-show Kirk getting the Enterprise, and his friend Gary Mitchell being posted as his first officer. Kirk's father and mother see him get command of the ship
Rough story:
Some Romulan develops a chroniton-based weapon that misfires, throwing him out of time from the 2380s in his old-style bird of prey. Why an old BoP? It was his great grandfather's, who faced Kirk a century prior. Sentimental value. The weapon misfires, and they end up near the USS Kelvin, an irrelevant Federation ship, but still with Captain Rubeau. The BoP is more powerful than the ship, and fights it off, severely crippling it, but also damaging the chroniton weapon, shunting ahead from 2233 to 2245, where the Enterprise is being launched to great fanfare as the 2nd Constitution-class vessel under Captain Robert April. We see April's crew, and a young Vulcan, Spock, and his father and mother on hand for the launch ceremony. The BoP intercepts the Enterprise on its shakedown cruise, and fights it to a standstill before the Romulans realize they are in the past. The Romulan commander realizes he can face Kirk and kill him himself, altering time and making the Romulan Empire even stronger in this time period. He gets his crew to shunt forward a decade (it's not an exact device just yet), to see Pike and the Enterprise again. Pike evades and forces the ship off, Spock recalling the ship similar to one the Enterprise fought in his childhood, but he dismisses it; we also see Kirk defeat the Kobayashi Maru and get his commendation from a Pike exhausted from his Talos mission. The crew then head for Rigel VII for their mission there, while the Romulans shunt forward. Now we see Kirk take command of the Enterprise from Pike, with Gary Mitchell as the XO, and they face the Romulans, and defeat them, without ever having seen them. This Romulan didn't figure on Kirk being as good a tactician as he was, and having Spock there as well.
That's a rough outline, but doesn't alter our timeline too terribly to the point that Kirk is simply handed the Enterprise for saving Earth right after graduating from the Academy.
Design-wise
-have the Enterprise look like Deg3D's or Vektor's Enterprises, seen in this forum's Trek Art section - highly detailed, but still similar enough to the original to satisfy the fans of the original series.
-the interior would be similar to the original series, but with traces of Phase II / TMP about it
-each ship has its own emblem, like in the original series
-update the interiors but with some touch, but mostly physical controls. Keep the bridge the same shape as the original series, but make the screens around the bridge actually functional and touch-sensitive. No need for all those point lights and lens-flares
-phasers same general style as TOS, just a bit more 'modern', and no flip-barrels
-tricorders a bit more advanced than in TOS, with a bigger screen, more controls, touch controls also
Character-Wise:
-show April, Pike, and Kirk
-Uhura is not in love with Spock
-Kirk's father served on the Enterprise under Captain April, who says 'it wouldn't be an Enterprise without a Kirk on board.'
-Chekov does not appear anywhere in the bridge, but in the background after Kirk gets command as a freshly minted ensign
Story-wise:
-no need for time-travelling Romulans. It added nothing to the story. get a different villain for Kirk's main mission.
-perhaps a time shard or something is propelling a villain from Captain April's time on the Enterprise forward in time to the point where he can kill April.
-follow Kirk and Spock getting to the Academy
-Kirk's Kobayashi Maru solution isn't so hokey, and a bit more believable that he could've done it.
-Spock isn't his superior officer at the academy
-Show Captain Robert April and the launch of the Enterprise, decked out similarly to how it was in The Cage
-USS Republic aids the USS Enteprise when Pike is fighting the Romulan, with an Ensign Kirk aiding the two ships to fight off the Romulan. This becomes the incident that results in Finney getting his demotion, when leaving the atomic matter piles open during the fight in engineering would've destroyed the ship.
-show April handing the ship over to Pike and Pike choosing Spock as his science officer, and keep Number One.
-show Kirk getting the Enterprise, and his friend Gary Mitchell being posted as his first officer. Kirk's father and mother see him get command of the ship
Rough story:
Some Romulan develops a chroniton-based weapon that misfires, throwing him out of time from the 2380s in his old-style bird of prey. Why an old BoP? It was his great grandfather's, who faced Kirk a century prior. Sentimental value. The weapon misfires, and they end up near the USS Kelvin, an irrelevant Federation ship, but still with Captain Rubeau. The BoP is more powerful than the ship, and fights it off, severely crippling it, but also damaging the chroniton weapon, shunting ahead from 2233 to 2245, where the Enterprise is being launched to great fanfare as the 2nd Constitution-class vessel under Captain Robert April. We see April's crew, and a young Vulcan, Spock, and his father and mother on hand for the launch ceremony. The BoP intercepts the Enterprise on its shakedown cruise, and fights it to a standstill before the Romulans realize they are in the past. The Romulan commander realizes he can face Kirk and kill him himself, altering time and making the Romulan Empire even stronger in this time period. He gets his crew to shunt forward a decade (it's not an exact device just yet), to see Pike and the Enterprise again. Pike evades and forces the ship off, Spock recalling the ship similar to one the Enterprise fought in his childhood, but he dismisses it; we also see Kirk defeat the Kobayashi Maru and get his commendation from a Pike exhausted from his Talos mission. The crew then head for Rigel VII for their mission there, while the Romulans shunt forward. Now we see Kirk take command of the Enterprise from Pike, with Gary Mitchell as the XO, and they face the Romulans, and defeat them, without ever having seen them. This Romulan didn't figure on Kirk being as good a tactician as he was, and having Spock there as well.
That's a rough outline, but doesn't alter our timeline too terribly to the point that Kirk is simply handed the Enterprise for saving Earth right after graduating from the Academy.
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