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Embarrassing Work Issue, please help

I have what feels like an embarrassing issue at my office and I would like to air it out and get opinions from my fellow TrekBBsers. I've been employed at my work for many years now, I'm a guy and most of my co-workers are female. Well a few months ago we got another new male co-worker named Paul. Paul is a really nice guy, I like him, and there's the problem, he's a great guy. He's so great a guy it can be damn annoying at times, but you still can't help but like him. As for his appearance he's not incredibly handsome, but he is in good shape. Paul isn't a ripped big beefy guy, but he's far better muscularly defined then I am, as well as a little taller then me. The women at my office often and repeatedly swoon over him without any shame and have constant chatter about him and how terrific he is. It's like he's got his own office groupies or fan club.

Yeah you guessed it, I feel neglected, embarrassed and flat out left out by this crap. :( Now my co-workers do like me, I'm a nice guy myself and I can tell they are quite fond of me as I have been working with them for several years now. But Paul really is a more fun guy, he's always doing something, has a ton of friends and loads of interesting stories to tell. Paul's an all around great guy and he hits the gym far more regularly then I do. My women co-workers have always been fond of me more as a brother, and that was something I didn't think much of for years. I mean they are all either married or with boyfriends of their own, so what did I care what they thought. It's only when Paul showed up that I started to really think about these things and it became apparent how wildly different I am percieved and treated. They give him these stary eyed, dreamy looks, and often speak about how wonderful a guy he is. Sometimes I get angry at the women at my work, don't know they know any better to put on such a display? Every now and then I can tell one or two of them realize they may be going over the top, especially since I'm around and I get none of that attention, so they tone it down a bit. But most of them don't. I imagine if we were all men and there were only a couple of women and we all put one girl up on a pedastal, and left the other out we'd be seen as sexist neanderthal bastards. A couple of them hang out with him, facebook him and phone him...while I've worked with them for years and we've never gotten that close. And we're all around the same age bracket, 20s and 30s.

I would like opinions on this matter. Do you think I'm being immature or silly to feel so embarrassed and so neglected? What should I do? My boss is a female and she swoons over him too. I've got to fight off feelings of jealousy and resentment to Paul, I mean it's not his fault that they all love him. Nor is it his fault that I'm not nearly as social as he is. And he really is a fucking great guy, I've never once seen anyone be angry with him, even the couple other men that once in a while pop up at the area think he's awesome. This dude could make friends with Al-Qaeda. What makes me often feel lousy is that he is better then me in many areas, since I am male I was the "office handyman" to speak for years, well Paul turns out to be a better handyman then I am and the boss goes to him now instead of me to do minor fix it things...it really emasculates me and a couple of the women noticed that he's the new handyman and poked fun at me for it. I'm not sure they realized how much it burned me. Paul is also a better techno geek then I am, so when there are computer software issues, well fuck he's the man to go to. I have now realized that I DO have a resentment to him, as much as I kid myself into believing I don't. And I do try to not resent him, but he probably goes to the toilet better then I do. It's like being in that Family Guy episode where that new dog that everyone loved b/c he was so perfect came and replaced Brian. This does effect my feelings in the work enviornment, and it's really shitty to be at work some days, actually many days. :confused: If we had other guys around it wouldn't be so bad, but since it's just me and him and a bunch of ladies, I feel sooooo left out. I don't think the girls grasp how awful I feel over all this. Many days I find myself eating lunch in anywhere but our breakroom, just to get a bit of fresh air and escape from the Paul groupies at work.


What would you do? Should I talk to my female co-workers on the matter and risk humiliation? Should I do my best to ignore it? Please don't say try to hang out with Paul and pick up his skills of being so great, as I see that as a potential answer I'd get and right now I'd rather not do that.

You're the nice-guy, the beta male, the one who the girl latches on to "as a friend" to bitch about her loser boyfriend with. It sucks, I know, I've been there all my life.

New guy is a Alpha Male. He sweats pheromones that says "I'm confident and awesome," this causes women to drench their panties and want to do evil things to him.

It sucks. It's life, I know. I've been seeing this guy around me all my life.

The women are all bitches but they're wired that way. They want the confident alpha male who boasts and swaggers around, not the nice guy who sits at his desk and talks nicely to everyone. You're the friend, you might as well be a woman to all of them. He's the Man Musk of Sex.

Life sucks, shrug it off, and consider yourself better off.


Trekker, not at all bitter.
 
Oh, my! This Paul sounds like a greart guy. Is he cute? Can I please have his number? :D

Seriously, Joby, I'm not sensing embarrassment as much as envy on your part. I can relate to some extent when there was a time we had a young and fun summer intern work in our department. The other section seemed to adore him when all he did was make copies, surf the Web, listen to his I-pod and take a break every 15 minutes. I didn't feel jealous in any way, as I was good friends with my work buddies and they said nobody could really take my place. Paul sounds like a Mary Sue to me, but there's no reason to be bitter. Question is, are any of these people your friends? If they're nice and you've been working with them for a few years, feel free to befriend them, including the newcomer Paul. It can be easy to feel left out, jealous or resentful, and it's so much better to be on good terms with the people you work with (unless you're boss is a backstabbing liar, but that's another story).
 
You're the nice-guy, the beta male, the one who the girl latches on to "as a friend" to bitch about her loser boyfriend with. It sucks, I know, I've been there all my life.

New guy is a Alpha Male. He sweats pheromones that says "I'm confident and awesome," this causes women to drench their panties and want to do evil things to him.

It sucks. It's life, I know. I've been seeing this guy around me all my life.

The women are all bitches but they're wired that way. They want the confident alpha male who boasts and swaggers around, not the nice guy who sits at his desk and talks nicely to everyone. You're the friend, you might as well be a woman to all of them. He's the Man Musk of Sex.

Life sucks, shrug it off, and consider yourself better off.


Trekker, not at all bitter.
We all sweat pheromones, and though there may be a henhouse quality to women, (and a chest-thumping quality to men) you're quite wrong. Stop giving so much false power to "Alpha" men, and trust to your own pheromones, dog.
 
Look at it this way, Joby, you'll be spared potential office romance-drama. And yes, there will be drama if it goes passed swooning. Even though it doesn't look like it, you're the lucky one.
 
Seriously, the guy is making your life miserable, and it still sounds like you want to get in his pants. He'll be CEO before you know it.
 
We all sweat pheromones, and though there may be a henhouse quality to women, (and a chest-thumping quality to men) you're quite wrong. Stop giving so much false power to "Alpha" men, and trust to your own pheromones, dog.

Some's pheromones are stronger than others. And "Alpha Men" always score the chicks, it's a fact of life I learned in middle school.
 
Wow, that's kind of rough! Sounds like he's the Ace Rimmer of where you work.

I don't have answers for what to do, unfortunately. But, 2 things to not do:

1) Don't change your behavior to compete with the guy on a personality basis. Nothing looks worse than someone trying to act an unnatural way. They'll just think you're turning weird. Keep being true to yourself. Yeah, that doesn't sound very helpful but it helps the situation from getting worse.

2) Don't withdraw. If you normally ate lunch there before, continue to do so. Withdrawing just makes Paul's presence even larger and diminshes you more. Stay, participate, etc as you did before. Don't do it to compete, just do it to be yourself.

Oh, and I do have something to suggest that you can try. Identify any areas where you excel more than Paul and put a bit more focus in those areas. Become the go-to guy for those things.

Mr Awe
 
Tell Paul you have to show him something "really cool" and have him meet you in a secluded area. When he arrives, smack him with a large piece of pipe and remind him to mind his place in the office. You position as the Alpha Male will have been restored.
 
First off, I don't think you're being immature; you state clearly that you're aware of all the facts, and acknowledge just how "wonderful" this guy is. Having hurt feelings and some resentment from this situation is not immature. Taking some of the advice offered (the violent, hopefully joking ones) would be immature. And criminal.

Other advice, however, sounds good. Ignore, no matter how difficult. Make friends with the guy--he may actually prefer to be friends with a guy rather than deal all the time with these immature women. From what you say, it's not his fault and he may have a case of sexual harassment against the women--or the boss. Their business, not yours; even if they ask you.

Be happy these women are taken. Honestly, they seem immature. Continued gushing is so ridiculous and offensive to anyone witnessing (and their husbands--afterall, as one poster stated, men would not be thought well of if they carried on in this fashion).

Get yourself some friends and activities, even this Paul.
 
Comparisons are odious. Envy will eat you alive.

It sounds like, aside from how you feel about Paul, you have a great work environment. Your coworkers all like you, you're not mistreated in any way, and you enjoy(?) what you do. If this is the case, I would just work hard on your own perspective. Work on reversing the negative emotions that crop up whenever one of the things that annoy you happens. When they ask Paul to do a handyman thing, be glad you don't have to. When they swoon over him, look at the reason honestly and either affirm it or not, but leave the thought as simple truth rather than a point of conflict - "He really is a nice guy. I'm glad they didn't hire a jerk in his place." Wouldn't it be worse if the women were all going crazy over someone horrible?

Work on these changes within your limits. While I agree with others who say you shouldn't withdraw, don't be afraid to take the occasional opportunity to pull apart and re-focus. There are days in all our lives when every single thing that happens chooses the same nerve to jump on. It's okay to redirect your attention until you're in a better frame of mind.

And as others have said, don't let your job overwhelm your personal life. Find an interest outside the job and pursue it. Dust off an old hobby, join a group somewhere, find an outlet that has nothing to do with your job where you can cultivate new relationships. It will help affirm your identity apart from your vocation and give you more confidence to fight those comparisons that are so odious.

:)
 
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