Borg v Changeling
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Dusty Ayres
Commodore
Nothing, the Borg will have their asses wiped by the Changelings before they can do any 'assimilation'. Mostly because the Changelings will infiltrate the Borg, learn all they can, and then send said knowledge back to the Great Link, thus giving them enough info to kick the ass of the Borg if they try to assimilate them.
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Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
Here I was thinking of the Tan-Ru/Nomad little probe guy.
Because I'm sick of the Borg, I'd like to think that that little probe could easily destroy all the Borg in the wink of an eye.
Because I'm sick of the Borg, I'd like to think that that little probe could easily destroy all the Borg in the wink of an eye.
I'm sure it could be written either way - that it is impossible for the Borg to assimilate a Changeling, and that it is.
Either way, I would love to see what a Borg-Changeling could do, and what it would mean for the Borg/against the Federation!
Either way, I would love to see what a Borg-Changeling could do, and what it would mean for the Borg/against the Federation!
ProtoAvatar
Fleet Captain
The borg are more than able to obliterate the federation without assimilated changelings.
And they are more than able to obliterate the Dominion without the ability to assimilate changelings.
That's because of strength in numbers and FAR superior military technology (and technology in general).
Assimilating shapeshifters wouldn't change much in the borg modus operandi - they're not ones for subtlety.
On the other hand, the founders can't shapeshift into a credible drome with access to the hive mind without turning into a mind-comtrolled borg - this means their spying abilities mean nothing when faced with the borg.
Then how did the Feds stave off the Dominion and they were weaker than the collective? (well except Voyager and it's supershields)
The Federation only won the same way they generally beat the Borg, by defeating only a fraction of the enemies total strength.
If the Borg sent two or three cubes they would most likely make it to Earth and if the Federation didn't close off the wormhole for 5 or 6 months and then have the Prophets step in to stop reinforcements from the Gamma Quadrant they would have lost the war.
Also the Federation didn't beat the Dominion on its own. It took an alliance of the three most powerful states in the region and then towards the end some dissatisfaction in the Cardassian camp to give the Federation a victory.
That's not saying I think the Dominion would beat the Borg. If the Borg put some effort into attacking the Dominion they would win. Changeling infiltration didn't see that small section of the Alpha Quadrant we focus on fall to its knees so I don't see why it would be even more successful against the Borg. As said above the Borg's technology would give them a sizeable advantage and in terms of pure military might if anyone in the Star Trek galaxy can match or exceed the Dominion the Borg would be the ones.
i don't think there would be much left of the dominion in an all-out confrontation with the borg. borg rule half the galaxy, dominion a fraction of the gamma quadrant. apart from the nig vessel that engaged the valiant, starfleet and dominion ships were roughly matched, while borg cubes are far superior to both, easily defeating whole fleets of the federation. the fc battle cost the ufp more ships and casualties than wolf 359. borg have superior technology, their transwarp corridors can bring whole fleets to all corners of the galaxy, dominion however can't invade borg territory. the borg might not be able to assimilate a lake of liquid founders, the vorta regarded as unworthy of assimilation, but their hippo soldiers would make nice drones. (watching the lake at the end of the short war, the queen would probably state, "dominate this!") dunno, the borg are a really good villain, while the dominion feels somewhat silly.
seems the borg prevailed in countless confrontations with races that had superior technology, how would they acquire anything otherwise, they don't develope but assimilate.
seems the borg prevailed in countless confrontations with races that had superior technology, how would they acquire anything otherwise, they don't develope but assimilate.
Simple: They add their soupy distinctiveness to their own.
Borg would be able to stomp over virtually any race in the Galaxy with little or no effort.
The sheer numbers and technology at their disposal greatly outclasses most of the race in the canon Milky Way of Star Trek (non-canon Caeliar of course from Destiny novels not withstanding).
The Feds only won in their encounters with the Borg because they only dealt with 1 cube at a time (as another poster already pointed out).
As far as assimilating the Founders go ... I think it's very possible.
Species 8472 is a different ballpark all-together since they live in an entirely different type of universe ... the Founders on the other hand as far as we know are from the same universe our heroes originate from.
Even if the Borg wouldn't be able to assimilate the Founders at once, it would likely take time until they do become capable of doing so.
But it's hardly a requirement in order to beat the Founders or the Dominion in a full scale 'war'.
A small fleet of cubes would be sufficient in dealing with the Dominion ... as it would be with the Feds (that is if 'full scale assimilation' is expected, and not just to 'spur technological development').
The sheer numbers and technology at their disposal greatly outclasses most of the race in the canon Milky Way of Star Trek (non-canon Caeliar of course from Destiny novels not withstanding).
The Feds only won in their encounters with the Borg because they only dealt with 1 cube at a time (as another poster already pointed out).
As far as assimilating the Founders go ... I think it's very possible.
Species 8472 is a different ballpark all-together since they live in an entirely different type of universe ... the Founders on the other hand as far as we know are from the same universe our heroes originate from.
Even if the Borg wouldn't be able to assimilate the Founders at once, it would likely take time until they do become capable of doing so.
But it's hardly a requirement in order to beat the Founders or the Dominion in a full scale 'war'.
A small fleet of cubes would be sufficient in dealing with the Dominion ... as it would be with the Feds (that is if 'full scale assimilation' is expected, and not just to 'spur technological development').
