Star Trek and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[cooleddie74]

INDY 4 is the lamest of the four films in its franchise(so far). It's okay, but after a 19-year wait since the last one I was expecting much better outta Spielberg and Lucas. I don't view it the way SOUTH PARK did(i.e. a movie that betrayed and raped the very idea of Indiana Jones and tanked the entire franchise)but it doesn't even come close to being as good as the new TREK.

Absolutely right.

INDY 4 had great moments between Indy and Marion. And it was nice to see Indy in action again plus that brief, eerie and atmospheric cameo by the Ark of the Covenant...but for the most part the whole film seemed more like a big-budget Young Indy movie for TV than a theatrical film involving Harrison Ford.

 

[Fish1941]

The Indiana Jones movie was his only hit, and that's because it's an iconic character.

You might as well say the same about this new STAR TREK movie. It became a hit because it was dealing with iconic characters like Kirk and Spock and an iconic ship like the Enterprise. Because if this latest Trek movie became a hit because many actually thought it was a well written movie, then I really don't know what to say about taste in popular culture today.

...but for the most part the whole film seemed more like a big-budget Young Indy movie for TV than a theatrical film involving Harrison Ford.

Actually all the TREK movies, including this latest one, seemed more like TV movies than the last INDIANA JONES movie did to me.

 

[Chrisisall]

INDY 4 is the lamest of the four films in its franchise(so far).
it doesn't even come close to being as good as the new TREK.

So much for objectivity.

The Indiana Jones movie was his only hit, and that's because it's an iconic character.

You might as well say the same about this new STAR TREK movie. It became a hit because it was dealing with iconic characters like Kirk and Spock and an iconic ship like the Enterprise. Because if this latest Trek movie became a hit because many actually thought it was a well written movie, then I really don't know what to say about taste in popular culture today.

I must concur. The new Trek movie was only almost as well written as the new Transformers movie. It certainly was not better written than Indy 4.

...but for the most part the whole film seemed more like a big-budget Young Indy movie for TV than a theatrical film involving Harrison Ford.

Actually all the TREK movies, including this latest one, seemed more like TV movies than the last INDIANA JONES movie did to me.

I disagree; TMP seemed like a real movie to me. But your point is taken.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Just when you think the amount of fail can not possibly increase, the internet keeps on giving...

 

[Alrik]

I'm saying that Ford made some terrible choices this decade in roles. Hollywood Homicide is the most forgettable movie of the decade, Firewall was decent but we've seen the same film from Ford a million times and executed far better. K-7 didn't grab much interest and bombed.

I wouldn't dispute that point. Until Indy, he really hadn't been in anything worth while since Six Day, Seven Nights.

The Indiana Jones movie was his only hit, and that's because it's an iconic character.


Isn't Ford semi-retired now anyway?
I'd be suprised if he only comes back to the screen for a Indy movie.
He's a legend, and I love him

Far from retired. He has two movies in the can right now. One coming out in January, and a comedy coming mid July. BTW, IMDB list Indy V as being in pre-production. ??? Take that for whatever that means.

 

[Chrisisall]

Just when you think the amount of fail can not possibly increase, the internet keeps on giving...

This post is issued an "F".
Do you wish to retain this grade, or choose "Pass/Fail"?

 

[VOODOOXI]

Indy IV had not the appeal and positive reviews that Star Trek has. Indy barely made a blip on the sights of moviegoers who mostly panned it. Star Trek has positive reviews and box office appeal.

As stated, Star Trek rebuilt the franchise with new actors. Indy brought back the same old cast with the addition of teen a heartthrob.

The two films are nothing alike.

I hate to rain on your parade, but Indiana Jones more than doubled "Star Trek's" box office total.

Indy IV = $786 Million
Star Trek XI = $384 Million

Indy IV was the 2008 foreign box office champion beating out even "The Dark Knight"
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117998278.html?categoryid=1019&cs=1

Indy IV $469 million
TDK $468 million

It seems that the rest of the world did not enjoy TDK as much as Americans did.

Indy IV came in #2 Internationally behind only "The Dark Knight"
http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2008&p=.htm

From a strictly financial point of view the "Star Trek" franchise has a long way to go before it is in the same league as the "Indiana Jones" franchise

In my opinion Indy IV was a major creative disappointment. I thought that Star Trek was the much better film of the two.

Rumor has it that Spielberg and Lucas are working on the script for Indy V as we speak. Hopefully it will be much better than KOTCS.

http://www.reelmovienews.com/2009/06/movie-producer-confirms-talk-of-indiana-jones-v/
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00027231.html

 

[Chrisisall]

In my opinion Indy IV was a major creative disappointment. I thought that Star Trek was the much better film of the two films.

Well, IMO, I PERSONALLY could have delivered BOTH films in a more exciting, cohesive & well-written manor.
But again, whatcha gonna do?
I just enjoy the Hell out of them both for what they are.
Popcorn, with extra butter.

 

[Kirkman1987]

The Indiana Jones movie was his only hit, and that's because it's an iconic character.


Isn't Ford semi-retired now anyway?
I'd be suprised if he only comes back to the screen for a Indy movie.
He's a legend, and I love him

Far from retired. He has two movies in the can right now. One coming out in January, and a comedy coming mid July. BTW, IMDB list Indy V as being in pre-production. ??? Take that for whatever that means.

Wow, I didn't realise that. I need to pay much more attention to the IMDB.

And whoever argued my point about the Indy movie being a hit because the character and series is iconic, I can't believe that you can't admit that as being a major factor. The next Bond film, regardless of quality, will be huge. The reason is because The Bond Character and series has a solid reputation. Indy has a similar reputation. I'm not saying those are the only factors, but the film from day one was going to make money, there was no question.

 

[Chrisisall]

The next Bond film, regardless of quality, will be huge. The reason is because The Bond Character and series has a solid reputation. Indy has a similar reputation. I'm not saying those are the only factors, but the film from day one was going to make money, there was no question.

The next Bond film will be avoided by me. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[Kelso]

Trek XI and Indy 4 were both fun adventure movies with flaws that get blown out of proportion by internet fanboys.

 

[Sector 7]

Trek XI and Indy 4 were both fun adventure movies with flaws that get blown out of proportion by internet fanboys.

I will agree with you on this point.
Indy went to the $2 Cinemas here very quickly. My friend at the first run cinema told me that poor ticket sales was the reason. The reviews I read and watched were almost all negative. I guess things here in rural USA are much different from the rest of the world. I stand corrected. However, since I am a member of TrekBBS... in true fanboy fashion... I shall never admit defeat.

 

[Chrisisall]

Trek XI and Indy 4 were both fun adventure movies with flaws that get blown out of proportion by internet fanboys.

Agreed. Except the sexist thing leaving out fangirls.

 

[M'Sharak]

In my opinion Indy IV was a major creative disappointment. I thought that Star Trek was the much better film of the two films.

Well, IMO, I PERSONALLY could have delivered BOTH films in a more exciting, cohesive & well-written manor.

In Stately Wayne Manor, perhaps?

 

[Cryogenic]

Since everyone missed my last post -- which is, by far, the single most substantive post ever made to this forum -- now I'll have to be rude:

"Indiana Jones And The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" is a BILLION TIMES more visually, thematically and cinematically literate than J.J. Abrams' Star Drek. You might as well be comparing the Sistine Chapel with a 7-11.

 

[Sector 7]

Since everyone missed my last post -- which is, by far, the single most substantive post ever made to this forum -- now I'll have to be rude:

"Indiana Jones And The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" is a BILLION TIMES more visually, thematically and cinematically literate than J.J. Abrams' Star Drek. You might as well be comparing the Sistine Chapel with a 7-11.

Since you mentioned rude:
1) I did not miss your last post. I read and chose to ignore it.
2) Since your very one-sided "I hate the new movie. Anyone who likes it doesn't know anything about cinema." posts all sound the same, this rudeness is nothing new. Some of us who are members here, and have actually worked in cinema and television, find your attitude insulting.
3) It is your choice to post. It is our choice to respond or ignore it.

 

[Dusty Ayres]

I nearly walked out of Indy 4, it was that bad.

Too bad for you, son.

 

[M'Sharak]

Since everyone missed my last post -- which is, by far, the single most substantive post ever made to this forum...

Which consisted mainly of a link to a page containing an overlong synopsis in smaller-than-average (and luminous lime-green! ) print and wider-than-average lines. My poor old eyeballs rebelled, and wouldn't let me finish, but I did look at the nice still photos.

Have I left anything out?

-- now I'll have to be rude:

<hyperbole snipped>

No, really, you don't have to.

 

[fishingforships]

NOTHING ALIKE!!!!! Crystal Skull was like Rocky Balboa or the new Rambo, Trying to jump start a long dead franchise. Not to say the original movies weren't great, but come on man.
Star Trek stopped making new episodes of ENT in 2005, and had plans on the way already for the new movie. They knew if they didn't come up with some new trek soon they would have a full scale geek riot on there hands. The alternate timeline gives them all kinds of openings for more movies and shows.
With the Indy franchise eventually Harrison Ford's going to kick off or break a hip in production-Don't get me wrong, I love Ford but let's face it, he is getting a little up there. And it just wouldn't be Indiana Jones without him.
So down to it
Kingdom-trying to revitalize a an old franchise
Star Trek-Keeping a vary vital franchise alive

 

[Cryogenic]

Since you mentioned rude:
1) I did not miss your last post. I read and chose to ignore it.

Evidently; which is synonymous with missing it.

2) Since your very one-sided "I hate the new movie. Anyone who likes it doesn't know anything about cinema." posts all sound the same, this rudeness is nothing new.

Wow. All my posts sound the same? And I have actually asserted that anyone who likes the new movie doesn't know anything about cinema? I must have an evil doppelganger.

Some of us who are members here, and have actually worked in cinema and television, find your attitude insulting.

Bill O'Reilly works in television. Michael Bay works in cinema. And for completion's sake: Rush Limbaugh works in radio. Hopefully, these examples are sufficient to make my point and render your specious attempt at self-aggrandisement/false indignation moot.

3) It is your choice to post. It is our choice to respond or ignore it.

True enough. Ignoring my very salient posts only harms the person doing it, so go right ahead; I'm only trying to spread a little light, but I can't force anyone to embrace it . . .

Since everyone missed my last post -- which is, by far, the single most substantive post ever made to this forum...

Which consisted mainly of a link to a page containing an overlong synopsis in smaller-than-average (and luminous lime-green! ) print and wider-than-average lines. My poor old eyeballs rebelled, and wouldn't let me finish, but I did look at the nice still photos.

Have I left anything out?

You haven't left anything out that you don't already lack -- like basic comprehension, reading skills, an ability to look beyond the surface and a joy in learning. Thanks for crystallizing (pun intended) the sort of anti-intellectual response I expected to see.