The Enterprise Finally opens a can of whoop....

[Cheewiee]

I have been a fan of Star Trek since I was knee high to a grass hopper... This was sometime between the release of Star Trek 2 & 3. I have always wanted to see the Enterprise open up with all it has. The closed thing we saw was in Star Trek VI, when the Torpedo hit the BOP, and the Enterprise and Excelsior start firing torpedos.

In this movie we finally see the Enterprise engaged with all guns blazing...

 

[superstring01]

I have been a fan of Star Trek since I was knee high to a grass hopper... This was sometime between the release of Star Trek 2 & 3. I have always wanted to see the Enterprise open up with all it has. The closed thing we saw was in Star Trek VI, when the Torpedo hit the BOP, and the Enterprise and Excelsior start firing torpedos.

In this movie we finally see the Enterprise engaged with all guns blazing...

Technically we saw more "guns blazing" in TWOK, First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis. Two of them sucked royally. I leave it to you to figure out which.

~String

 

[indianatrekker26]

of course Chewiee could be referring to just the original Enterprise. In the Tv series, you only ever got to see her fire a few torpedoes and her phaser beams every once in a while. But it was never with the intensity we see in the new movie. Even in the older movies, she didnt let loose like in Star Trek '09.

 

[superstring01]

of course Chewiee could be referring to just the original Enterprise. In the Tv series, you only ever got to see her fire a few torpedoes and her phaser beams every once in a while. But it was never with the intensity we see in the new movie. Even in the older movies, she didnt let loose like in Star Trek '09.

Indeed. My bad.

~String

 

[Trekker4747]

I have been a fan of Star Trek since I was knee high to a grass hopper... This was sometime between the release of Star Trek 2 & 3. I have always wanted to see the Enterprise open up with all it has. The closed thing we saw was in Star Trek VI, when the Torpedo hit the BOP, and the Enterprise and Excelsior start firing torpedos.

In this movie we finally see the Enterprise engaged with all guns blazing...

I don't think we "saw the Enterprise kick some ass" so much as we just saw some quick and random shots of laser beams flying out of the ship at ridiculous rates.

There's something to be said for the finesse and "romance" given to the battle scenes in TWK.

The battle scenes are one thing I didn't like about this movie, they were just sloppy. Like the opening scene with the Niranda and Kelvin. It was just a mess of laser-shots, noise, and torpedos. There was no logic or sense to it.

 

[Amaris]

I have been a fan of Star Trek since I was knee high to a grass hopper... This was sometime between the release of Star Trek 2 & 3. I have always wanted to see the Enterprise open up with all it has. The closed thing we saw was in Star Trek VI, when the Torpedo hit the BOP, and the Enterprise and Excelsior start firing torpedos.

In this movie we finally see the Enterprise engaged with all guns blazing...

I don't think we "saw the Enterprise kick some ass" so much as we just saw some quick and random shots of laser beams flying out of the ship at ridiculous rates.

There's something to be said for the finesse and "romance" given to the battle scenes in TWK.

The battle scenes are one thing I didn't like about this movie, they were just sloppy. Like the opening scene with the Niranda and Kelvin. It was just a mess of laser-shots, noise, and torpedos. There was no logic or sense to it.

Because there is no logic or sense to getting the shit kicked out of you. I doubt war is anything like a game of chess for the people on the battlefield. When the bullets and blood start flying, chaos rules the day. Or, to put it another way, there's nothing romantic about being ripped out through a hole in the hull of a ship and decompressing in space.

J.

 

[Trekker4747]

Still, all of the battles were done tight on the ships with just energy beams flying all over the place. It was just a nonsense of crap.

 

[urbandk]

Yeah, I miss,

"Shields down to 50%!"

"Attack pattern Delta!"

"She can't withstand another hit like that!"

I also miss:

Exploding consoles.

Random tubes falling with sparks flying everywhere.

Bring back real Star Trek combat!

 

[Cyke101]

Still, all of the battles were done tight on the ships with just energy beams flying all over the place. It was just a nonsense of crap.

I'd like to bring up the Dominion War, how half the time we didn't know where enemy fire was coming from, nor did we really know where the ships were in fleet action or in respect to each other unless the dialogue lent us a bone. Even old stalwarts like "Shields down to 16%!" only added to the confusion. All told, that was chaotic nonsense, but it wasn't crap either.

 

[Corran Horn]

Yeah, I miss,

"Shields down to 50%!"

"Attack pattern Delta!"

"She can't withstand another hit like that!"

I also miss:

Exploding consoles.

Random tubes falling with sparks flying everywhere.

Bring back real Star Trek combat!

 

[Borgminister]

Yeah, how could that guy in Saving Private Ryan get shot in the head after taking off his helmet--how random!

I liked the "guns blazing" scenes, myself.

 

[JarodRussell]

Funny how you guys compare ground combat to ship to ship combat.

 

[ST-One]

I have been a fan of Star Trek since I was knee high to a grass hopper... This was sometime between the release of Star Trek 2 & 3. I have always wanted to see the Enterprise open up with all it has. The closed thing we saw was in Star Trek VI, when the Torpedo hit the BOP, and the Enterprise and Excelsior start firing torpedos.

In this movie we finally see the Enterprise engaged with all guns blazing...

I don't think we "saw the Enterprise kick some ass" so much as we just saw some quick and random shots of laser beams flying out of the ship at ridiculous rates.

There's something to be said for the finesse and "romance" given to the battle scenes in TWK.

The battle scenes are one thing I didn't like about this movie, they were just sloppy. Like the opening scene with the Niranda and Kelvin. It was just a mess of laser-shots, noise, and torpedos. There was no logic or sense to it.

If only Abrams had given the Kelvin-sequence the orderly-ness of a naval battle like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y91-wE5vkuA&feature=channel

 

[JarodRussell]

If only Abrams had given the Kelvin-sequence the orderly-ness of a naval battle like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y91-wE5vkuA&feature=channel

Wow, that battle is way more impressive than the Kelvin sequence. Good find!

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Good sequence, but you have to realize that the Kelvin sequence was not any battle that either side was slowly cruising toward. The Kelvin encountered an anomaly, from which emerged something unknown. It wasn't until the Narada fired (and fired relentlessly to disable the Kelvin as much as possible to force Robau to have no choice but to go over to the Narada), that the Kelvin had any time to go to red alert and have any weapons ready to fire.

And given how powerful the Narada was, I wouldn't be worrying about doing some ballet. That ship had to be disabled or destroyed, and it's more than likely you would need to fire as much as possible at once at that ship to do so.

Of course the battles in the movie were blindingly fast, because the Narada was firing all at once to disable or destroy as quick as possible, and any defense would require something as powerful in a short time back at it.

 

[Jeri]

Considering that Captains Robau and Kirk saved 800 off the Kelvin, I'd say their battle tactics were pretty terrific.

 

[Borgminister]

Funny how you guys compare ground combat to ship to ship combat.

Yeah, I should have used the rows of soldiers that used to advance, step by step, on each other while shooting their guns or wielding their swords.

That's how space combat has been portrayed on Trek in the great majority of episodes and movies, hasn't it?

I enjoyed the attempt to "speed it up" and make it more dynamic than the standard, okay, time to ram the ship kind of thing... in slow motion.

 

[Cyke101]

If only Abrams had given the Kelvin-sequence the orderly-ness of a naval battle like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y91-wE5vkuA&feature=channel

Wow, that battle is way more impressive than the Kelvin sequence. Good find!

I don't think the Kelvin was supposed to have any impressive feats; after all, she got the shit kicked out of her. Sort of like Wolf 359 in DS9, how we see all these ships that we know are supposed to be powerhouses (the Saratoga notwithstanding), and they get tossed aside one by one with about zero displays of feats.

 

[Alrik]

If only Abrams had given the Kelvin-sequence the orderly-ness of a naval battle like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y91-wE5vkuA&feature=channel

That was a nice WW II battle scene, but I for one, am happy that we got what we got. A battle is chaos, I see nothing wrong in depicting it that way.

 

[ST-One]

If only Abrams had given the Kelvin-sequence the orderly-ness of a naval battle like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y91-wE5vkuA&feature=channel

That was a nice WW II battle scene, but I for one, am happy that we got what we got. A battle is chaos, I see nothing wrong in depicting it that way.

The Kelvin sequence it absolutely perfect.
That Yamato battle is only slightly less chaotic than the Kelvin battle.

The point I was trying to make: The argument that the Kelvin-sequence was too chaotic, too un-orderly is just bullshit.

Naval battles are (and are portrayed as) total chaos and so it this starship battle.